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WWIII North Korea Shells South Korea

IFocus

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I could not see China accepting a strong US backed country camped on one of its borders.

It happily supports despots for geopolitical reasons Burma being an example. It has happily watched the north stave its people and not interfered.

If war broke out and the north looked like going down then China would certainly enter the fray. In some ways the north's actions shows how confident it is in China's support.

What a way to change leaders every one else has elections, coups, etc North Korea starts killing people next door.
 
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You can bet the Chinese have been supporting and encouraging Kim Jong all the way, despite their staged public protestations. Nothing would make them happier than to provoke a conflict with the US. They've a huge obedient military and they're just itching to exercise it against a big opponent. Underlying all this scheming and subterfuge is a deeply ingrained inferiority complex. Even if they ruled the entire World (which sort of looks a possibility in the future), the Chinese would still feel inferior to the West.
 

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I could not see China accepting a strong US backed country camped on one of its borders.

It happily supports despots for geopolitical reasons Burma being an example. It has happily watched the north stave its people and not interfered.

If war broke out and the north looked like going down then China would certainly enter the fray. In some ways the north's actions shows how confident it is in China's support.


That's probably true, but with the amount of US debt they hold I think if you expect China to rush headlong into war with the US I think yu'd be very mistaken.

You can bet the Chinese have been supporting and encouraging Kim Jong all the way, despite their staged public protestations. Nothing would make them happier than to provoke a conflict with the US. They've a huge obedient military and they're just itching to exercise it against a big opponent. Underlying all this scheming and subterfuge is a deeply ingrained inferiority complex. Even if they ruled the entire World (which sort of looks a possibility in the future), the Chinese would still feel inferior to the West.

I don't know about this.

If North Korea believes this I expect they will be in for quite a shock on two fronts. China will not write off all the money it has loaned to the US (by far the biggest lender) let alone most of it's overseas investments, which will be the end result if they declare war and while China may have the man power, the US and it's alies have far superior air and sea forces.

If they declared war they would have to expect to decisvely win... which the deluded North Korean Nutters may, but China is certainly much more realistic in it's military capabalities. I expect it is more intent on winning the long term 'économic war' where it already has the upper hand.

Also, I don't see Obama as the type to rush to war, let alone even wanting it atm.

But having said that, if I was the US and North Korea kept beating the war drum and the shelling of the south gets worse... I'd expect a UN warning first... then I'd be planning a strategic, secret, no notice massive air strike on the leadership of the north and key mititary positions, as I'm sure they have contingency plans for. It is a classic case of an army that would be like a headless chook with the top few echelons taken out and China caught on the back foot and more vulnerable if it declared war.

You also have to remember the amount of international humanitarian aid going to the North. If a state of war was declared this would dry up in a flash leaving the population and much of the military after a short time, starving, weak and unable to support the war even if they wanted too. Is China in a position to fill the void as well as go on a war footing... I don't think so.
 

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Obama may need a war 2012 to get re-elected...........

That's a point!

But, do you think the Yanks will fall for that caper again, especially since it didn't go as well as they were led to believe in Iraq and Afganastan?
 
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China v. USA...

Can't see anyone benefiting from that. And the rules of the the de-facto game via nth/sth Korea have changed too with the advent of nuclear capability, no matter how crude it currently is.

The potential price of supporting megalomaniacal fruit loops is potentially much greater these days and could blow up in all our faces. I would have hoped China (and the US) had progressed past the feudal warlord mentality.

Alas....
 

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That's a point!

But, do you think the Yanks will fall for that caper again, especially since it didn't go as well as they were led to believe in Iraq and Afganastan?

A number of world leaders have used foreign policy to raise their polls or attempted to raise their polls.

Heaven knows the home front in the USA is a disaster and unemployment is not changing soon
 

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China v. USA...

Can't see anyone benefiting from that. And the rules of the the de-facto game via nth/sth Korea have changed too with the advent of nuclear capability, no matter how crude it currently is.

The potential price of supporting megalomaniacal fruit loops is potentially much greater these days and could blow up in all our faces. I would have hoped China (and the US) had progressed past the feudal warlord mentality.

Alas....


Agree lets hope at best its a cold war type scenario
 

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China v. USA...

Can't see anyone benefiting from that. And the rules of the the de-facto game via nth/sth Korea have changed too with the advent of nuclear capability, no matter how crude it currently is.

The potential price of supporting megalomaniacal fruit loops is potentially much greater these days and could blow up in all our faces. I would have hoped China (and the US) had progressed past the feudal warlord mentality.

Alas....
I wonder if people were sitting back on ASF in the summer of 14 saying there's no way we'd go to war if some Austrian duke gets popped.
 
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Not sure who has the most to gain and lose out of this.

If US unemployment was a little higher I'd be more concerned.

There's no doubt we'd have to follow the US into this one as well.

As China, India, and Asia buys up more and more of Australia this alone will create a great defense for Australia. Soon America will not be needed by Australia.
 
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