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Wotso - Blackwall Property Trust (BWR) Blackwall Ltd (BWF)

Discussion in 'Business, Investment and Economics' started by No Trust, Jun 23, 2020.

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    The sector seems to be caught in a perfect storm...

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    Background to the spin off...


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    Wotso are burning cash like so many other businesses, no doubt they would be getting some govt support, BWF has deferred and forgiven some rent payments.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20200519/pdf/44hyb87cdfczyy.pdf

    The ASX listing for Wotso will happen eventually, late 2021 maybe??? would have to wait till the business if operating normally.
     
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    This is concerning though...

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    Serious concerns for the Co-Working sector may derail any further hopes of ASX listings..

    Is The Co-Working Space Dead?



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    By Tim Boreham, Editor, The New Criterion

    https://www.fnarena.com/index.php/2020/06/19/is-the-co-working-space-dead/


     
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    Just chatting with neighbour; works when in town at The Hub, in CBD. He thinks it's 20% occupied, but not lifting as restrictions ease. Also, the link-up with industry colleagues; only about 7% of workers (office towers) want to return. Most with a job seem happy to work from home
     
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    With industry break even levels at 80% occupancy, it appears that the co-working sector is facing more closures given the cash burn involved...

    Wotso’s 17 locations are housed in 10 Blackwall Properties and 7 in leased premises with non party related landlords... The lease payment waivers / deferrals cannot go on forever given the level of occupancy being recorded across the sector.

    The other issue for Blackwall is the related party nature of the cross ownership including that of office holders. Any rent waivers / deferrals cannot be at the expense of other Blackwall investors.

    Any conflicts of interest need to be managed in an independent commercial manner at arms length of office holders who have a vested interest to see Wotso survive. Given the impact on Blackwall of the interrelated financial health of Wotso (30% of Blackwall’s rental revenue), it would be incumbent on Blackwall to issue a statement to investors on the monthly occupancy levels and “actual” income streams of Wotso’s operations in Australia and overseas.

    The wisdom of a business model where 30% of a REIT’S income is from a related party entity which requires a very high occupancy to break even, is another matter which investors will need to address with the board in due course... COVID -19 has applied the pressure and the stress fractures across the co-working sector have started to appear...

    https://www.fnarena.com/index.php/2020/06/19/is-the-co-working-space-dead/

     
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    Blackwall built Wotso from nothing over many years, BWF shareholders were given shares in Wotso as a distribution with an IPO to probably follow in
    CY20, terrible timing in hindsight with the separation only three quarters done. The future of co working is really part of the broader question of the
    future of commercial office property and utilisation, YF20/21 is going to be very revealing as govt support is wound back and then withdrawn completely.
     
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    Once the government support is wound back, I don’t see many of the co-working operators surviving... As the attached article discusses, there are likely only three operators which will survive. Smaller players like Wotso are heavily exposed and cannot pay the rent with cashflow drying up...

    The impact on BWF will be significant as Wotso accounts for 30% of its rental income. BWF is flying under the radar at the moment but will soon have to fess up about the ability of Wotso to continue trading as a going concern... Issues of insolvent trading may evolve when the company law changes expire in 3 months time...


    https://allwork.space/2020/06/could-australia-be-left-with-just-three-coworking-operators/

     
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    I thinks its BWR 'the trust' that owns the properties, BWF is the manager and major shareholder of both the trust and Wotso with about 15% of both, if Wotso falls over then sure it will
    hurt both BWR and BWF however BWR has very low debt for a REIT of less than 20% and BWF has no debt that i can see so both cannot technically fail, they have no debt covenants etc.
     
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    My concern in not so much about BWR AND BWF it’s about Wotso being able to meet its debts as they fall due as 7 of the locations are not owned by BWR. There will be an impact on BWR, but the picture for Wotso does not look good... New Tag line might be “Wotso we’re F#cked ?”...
     
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    Gearing now at 24% with new drawdown..

    This may seem conservative but can spiral if Wotso burns cash which it seems to be doing.. The back rent cannot be deferred forever..

    Victory co-working had to raise over $15M from investors. Wotso hasn’t even floated so does not have that angle. I’m sure BWR will have to make a choice soon as to what to support and what it will have to jettison...

    https://www.businessnewsaus.com.au/articles/wotso-to-benefit-from-blackwall-rent-deferrals.html
     
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