Water Rights in Australia and elsewhere

[frugal.rock]

It has been brought to my attention that the ownership of water rights are becoming an issue here and abroad.

Have heard of instances in US recently of water rights or licences being bought up by the Chinese Communist Party or affiliates.
(no US example supplied yet)

An example in the NT.

Labor sells HUGE water licence to alleged CCP-linked company after ONE day of consideration

Vote Labor, get China

www.advanceaustralia.org.au

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://firb.gov.au/sites/firb.gov.au/files/2020-05/2019-rfo-water-entitlements.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjIveW7_JH9AhVx-TgGHVg5CXoQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw3dSzzQMjPhspg-QoJR-wpU

Posted in the commodity section, 'cause that's the way it's being treated. 😩
Not a "new issue" however a place for a collection of info and analysis.

 

[rogerlg]

30 years ago they started shuffling the rules and regulations around so they could take water off the farmers who owned the water rights.
Over the last 20 yrs private companies/government have accumulated large amounts of water from the farmers and now sell it off to the highest bidder. This is the greatest crime against the Australian people in ever. It will have far reaching problems to the reliable food system Australians have enjoyed up until now.
Everything to with food and the environment will be a tradable commodity.

 

[farmerge]

30 years ago they started shuffling the rules and regulations around so they could take water off the farmers who owned the water rights.
Over the last 20 yrs private companies/government have accumulated large amounts of water from the farmers and now sell it off to the highest bidder. This is the greatest crime against the Australian people in ever. It will have far reaching problems to the reliable food system Australians have enjoyed up until now.
Everything to with food and the environment will be a tradable commodity.

Biggest crime here in WA in regard to water is that there is more than enough water in the North of the State and it is under ulilised by a huge percentage. Quite a few years ago a local MP, Mr Ernie bridge, who like CY O'Connor, was a man before his time. He wanted to bring water from the North-West as far as Kalgoorlie then it could be reversed pumped to the dams and weirs in the South-west. There was also a possibility of water being diverted to South Australia.
Unfortunately none of the wisdom he showed and the courage he had of his beliefs were carried out. Now we have 2 desal and a 3rd proposed to produce fresh water for an ever growing population, and the water in the Ord and Fitzroy, well it just sits there and most goes out to the sea.

 

[Value Collector]

I think the water rights trading system isn’t perfect, but it’s better than no system.

The the reason water rights trading is needed is that there is more capacity to use water in the system than there is actual water, so without restrictions farmers can literally empty rivers.

So we need limits on how much water each farmer can use, but also give the farmer the ability to sell their allotment if they don’t need it, or if the price goes high enough that some one who uses the water more efficiently can use it.

 

[farmerge]

I think the water rights trading system isn’t perfect, but it’s better than no system.

The the reason water rights trading is needed is that there is more capacity to use water in the system than there is actual water, so without restrictions farmers can literally empty rivers.

So we need limits on how much water each farmer can use, but also give the farmer the ability to sell their allotment if they don’t need it, or if the price goes high enough that some one who uses the water more efficiently can use it.

Well Mr value we agree on something The first sentence of this post.
But when governments take the water right away and then on sell it that is where it is wrong.
We don't have the same amount of irrigated areas here as compared to the East and though I am not a irrigator I tend to believe that the Wellington Dam here in the South West is properly managed to suit the irrigators need.

 

[Value Collector]

Well Mr value we agree on something The first sentence of this post.
But when governments take the water right away and then on sell it that is where it is wrong.
We don't have the same amount of irrigated areas here as compared to the East and though I am not a irrigator I tend to believe that the Wellington Dam here in the South West is properly managed to suit the irrigators need.

I don’t know the situation in WA, I am more familiar with the east coast market.

 

[farmerge]

I don’t know the situation in WA, I am more familiar with the east coast market.

Same here in regards to river water rights on the East coast. Only know what I read mainly from the rural rag I subscribe to.

 

[rogerlg]

Northern NSW farmers on certain river systems can pump the rivers dry, those farmers on the southern irrigation systems are very regulated by regulated by the government as to what water they can use. The water systems on the east coast are very manipulated by government.