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I think we are safe until after the mid-term elections in the US. The tide is turning in the US and the Republicans in the senate and in Congress are in danger of losing their seats at the moment.

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Ahmnwchwpiuvwhjad says Iran doesn't need the bomb.

By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI
Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted Thursday that Tehran's nuclear program is peaceful and said he is "at a loss" about what more he can do to provide guarantees. "The bottom line is we do not need a bomb," he said at a news conference on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly. "The time for nuclear bombs has ended," he added.

Ahmadinejad said his country has not hidden anything and was working within the framework of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treat More...
 
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I repeat...Oh Cr@p!!!!!!!!!

Why Bush Will Nuke Iran

By Paul Craig Roberts

The neoconservative Bush administration will attack Iran with tactical nuclear weapons, because it is the only way the neocons believe they can rescue their goal of US (and Israeli) hegemony in the Middle East.

The US has lost the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Generals in both war theaters are stating their need for more troops. But there are no troops to send.

Bush has tried to pawn Afghanistan off on NATO, but Europe does not see any point in sacrificing its blood and money for the sake of American hegemony. The NATO troops in Afghanistan are experiencing substantial casualties from a revived Taliban, and European governments are not enthralled over providing cannon fodder for US hegemony.

The “coalition of the willing” has evaporated. Indeed, it never existed. MORE........................................................
 
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From ABC, October 20, 2006
Iranian President warns Israel will disappear
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Israel will not survive and that its allies will face the "boiling wrath" of the people if they continued to support the Jewish state.
"This regime (Israel) will be gone, definitely," Mr Ahmadinejad told demonstrators at a national rally to call for Jerusalem to be handed to the Palestinians.
"You (the Western powers) should know that any government that stands by the Zionist regime from now on will not see any result but the hatred of the people," he added.
"The wrath of the region's people is boiling."
Mr Ahmadinejad, who has previously called for Israel to be "wiped from the map" and described the Holocaust as a "myth," said his warning was an "ultimatum".
"You should not complain that we did not give a warning. We are saying this explicitly now."
"If a hurricane starts be rest assured that the dimensions of this hurricane will not be limited to the geographic borders of Palestine," he added.
"This regime (Israel) will take its supporters to the bottom of the swamp.
"The best solution is for you to take all the components of the regime and take it away."
Mr Ahmadinejad also warned Europe it was stirring up hatred in the Middle East by supporting Israel and said it "may get hurt" if anger in the region boils over.
"You should believe that this regime (Israel) cannot last and has no more benefit to you," he said..
"What benefit have you got in supporting this regime, except the hatred of the nations?
"We have advised the Europeans that the Americans are far away, but you are the neighbours of the nations in this region.
"We inform you that the nations are like an ocean that is welling up, and if a storm begins, the dimensions will not stay limited to Palestine, and you may get hurt."
-AFP/Reuters

This -rhetoric- makes it scary, especially that we know about nuclear ambitions of this country.
 
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Happy said:
This -rhetoric- makes it scary, especially that we know about nuclear ambitions of this country.
Gee but it's getting hard to get at the facts - Like they say around here DYOR. We know what spin doctoring can do. Even Colon Powell got sucked into it prior to the Iraq war - which he seems now to regret.

Mr Ahmadinejad, who has previously called for Israel to be "wiped from the map" and described the Holocaust as a "myth," said his warning was an "ultimatum". ...
...."This regime (Israel) will take its supporters to the bottom of the swamp."

I DO recall him saying that if some land was to be given to the Jews to make up for the German holocaust, then .. give them part of Germany !! Novel as that proposal may be, - it wasnt tabled in a timely manner - like 60 years too late, bit too much water under the bridge.

I also recall Kruschoff giving JFK the brush-off during his big sell-off of missiles to Cuba - telling him "we will bury you!" - meaning of course that they would win the cold war. That communism would outlast capitalism. ("I am not threatening to literally bury him" as he later clarified to the interprteter).

Getting bloody dangerous - but imho Maybe we shouldn’t overreact. You’re right – it sure is worth keeping a close eye on fanatics like this dude. Shame, I know some really pleasant Iranians.

Finally what a shame Powell wasnt president.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,346150,00.html
an old quote from Time magazine in Aug 2002. :-
If Bush wins a second term, only the imminence of a major diplomatic {NOTE THAT WORD Diplomatic} victory””in the Middle East, for example””could induce him to stay a short while longer. By the same token, the aide stresses that Powell is determined to serve out the entire term””even if the U.S. launches an invasion of Iraq, which Powell has fought to delay or derail.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher repeated Powell’s public assertion that he has no intention of leaving. “He serves at the pleasure of the President,” Boucher said. A Powell exit could cause political problems for the Republicans. The loss of his moderating voice would embolden the hard-liners and hurt the party’s efforts to broaden its base. And those who dream of a Powell presidential candidacy in 2008 have little cause for hope. Powell, the aide says, will “never run for President.”

As I said that's from 2002 - old hat. Gee but it's been a long time since we heard a "moderating voice" over there. Ahh hindsight is so damned easy - we seem to be pretty good at NOT learning from history - and pretty recent history at that. (but you're right, foresight isnt so easy).
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and then there is this:
" This would not only signal a new beginning and bring home to the world the new era in Iranian history, but would also signify the Aryan race of its population, as "Iran" is a cognate of "Aryan" and derived from it."

See the link for more info.
http://www.farsinet.com/farsi/

I think it is important to understand where others come from and what they believe just through language.
 

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We will never see the alternative of "doing nothing".Fear is the driver and terrorism/terrorists/fanatics reinforce this inherent hoomun trait.

If the americans didn`t feel as their leader then he would not be the leader.Nuclear weapon reduction is the issue (from what I`m told) or at least out of the hands of the above mentioned.

But of course I can only see/hear what is presented by media so the ulterior motives I may never know....... :twak:
 
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if only the americans did not overthrow a democratically elected Iranian President in 1959 to instill the Shah that brought in fundamentalism and a inward looking Iran - mmm not many ppl know that.
 
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Seneca60BC said:
if only the americans did not overthrow a democratically elected Iranian President in 1959 to instill the Shah that brought in fundamentalism and a inward looking Iran - mmm not many ppl know that.

Yes exactly. as much as the Neocons try to ignore law, there are two which they cannot ignore.

The law of cause and effect.

The law of unintended consequences.

Also, people have to realise that you cannot truncate history at 1990 or wherever and remain objective.

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Surely their day will end with the Bush Presidency (at least for another 20 years).

I know some would like to nuke Iran but there must be others in leadership that must be questioning their beliefs given all the unintended consequences that have occurred. I believe Bush is now questioning. Its Chaney I am scared of.
 

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I was searching for a relevant thread to voice my thoughts on the Iran situation and I decided on the oldest one in the book which was started by our old friend WayneL, God bless him.

It seems to me that there are a few forces at play here concerning the elections.

Iran wants to elect a popular leader.
Iran wants to be seen to be transparent.
Iran wants to continue to be a religious State.

Do these add up?

Also,

The US (and blind allies) have repeatedly stated that Iran supports terrorism.
The US claims Iran is supporting Shia forces in Iraq, Yemen, and Syria - and therefore Hezbollah.

North Korea have been allegedly providing Iran with nuclear technology for years and are now rattling any sabre they can find.


Could the current election fiasco be the torch that lights the fuse of the next major conflict? Or, do we allow this to wash over us and be patient.

Or, is this a beat up orchestarted by the US to start the next real world war to keep their war economy ticking.. :eek:

Sorry if post disjointed, I hope you get the drift..
 
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the US maybe setting us up for war, but my mate osama wont allow it to go that far. hes playing a bigger game, let korea and iran get the nucs, refine them and keep the poliferation going, but quietly. somehow he'll sort the nutters out so they dont give the yanks enough credible pr to pull the cord. it only happened in iraq as bush is bush. once the pakistanians let the plans out to all insundry decades ago, it was foolproof and a lost game.

unless the black idiot obama doesnt follow up with his concept of a nuclear free world, hypocracy comes to mind immediately. USA and its best mate israel come to mind as the worset on the list, as with the poms...

caveat, i only say black as this guy wouldnt be where he is or likely even on a school board if it wernt for this fact. look at nz for prime examples of reverse racisim. this week some nutters called for all the brown locals being pushed thru uni despite any semblance of brainpower. and this is on top of an already extreme 'affirmitive action' policy re unis and all other gov institutions for this sector of race/skin colour.

maybe if france didnt give israel the nuc's back in the 50's and 60's, the whole world geopolitically wouldnt be so dangerous in this regaurd.

i actually admire kim and iran for their achievements, as bad as they may be, like the civil engineer osama, as evil and cruel as his achievements were, he certainly was effective and owned up.
hypocrytes i dont.
 
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