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  1. Knobby22

    Knobby22 Mmmmmm 2nd breakfast

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    To lack B12 you would need to eat some weird vegetarian diet and avoid fortified cereals. Must be extremely rare.
    I love pate occasionally. It is full of B vitamins. Vegemite also is good. I suppose both are rare in the US
    That nurse is talking nonsense. The reason folate has been put in many foods particularly in the USA is that too many people don't eat green vegetables.
    Personally I love silverbeet, broccoli, brussel sprouts.
     
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  3. Knobby22

    Knobby22 Mmmmmm 2nd breakfast

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    Not only that.

    Some diseases damage the body in such a way that their body requires far more nutrients than a typical adult as the body is constantly trying to repair the damage continuously inflicted.

    Digestive issues can also result in failure to assimilate some nutritional benefits from food.
     
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    Did you actually watch the whole doco.?

    One does't have to be on vegetarian diet to lack in B12.
    Malabsorption and acid blockers are the other causes of B12 deficiencies.

    When one is healthy everything is alright.
    B12 deficiency creeps on you & u don't know.

    What your doctor doesn't know about B12 can hurt you.
    Unless you ask your doctor for B12 blood test, they won't do it.

    B12 deficiency is common in infants and is accompanied by serious neurological symptoms.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29277311
     
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    "Nitrous oxide has several uses, including in surgery and dentistry (referred to as “laughing gas”).....
    ....can cause severe nitrous oxide–induced B12 deficiency.."

    I wonder how many surgeons asked their patients to take sublingual B12 supplements after surgery/procedures?

    Nitrous oxide–induced vitamin B12 deficiency

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5349816/
     
  7. SuperGlue

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    Not because too many people don't eat green vegetables but.....
    "to reduce the prevalence of neural tube defects (serious birth defects such as spina bifida) in Australia and to deal with the re-emergence of iodine deficiency in both Australia and New Zealand."
    It's in the video doco.

    "Decrease in neural tube defects since folic acid added to bread"
    https://www.aihw.gov.au/news-media/...ase-in-neural-tube-defects-since-folic-acid-a
     
  8. Knobby22

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    Not arguing it isn't good to take folic acid supplements if your pregnant.
    or if your diet is poor (lack of green vegetables).
     
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    Wisconsin man charged with breaking measles
    quarantine to go to gym

    A Wisconsin man has been criminally charged with breaking a measles quarantine by leaving his home to go to the gym, according to court documents.

    Jeffery Murawski, 57, of Brookfield, was charged Feb. 22 with a misdemeanor count of willfully violating the recommendations of a local health officer or subjecting others to danger of contracting a communicable disease.

    His wife, Christine Bennett, 58, was charged with the same misdemeanor for allegedly aiding him in taking actions that could have exposed people in a public place to a communicable disease.

    The charges stem from an incident on May 1, 2018, when Murawski was under quarantine in his home "until deemed non-contagious" by Waukesha County health officials or until May 7, 2018, a county court complaint states.

    Murawski allegedly escaped his home by hiding inside a car driven by his wife. He went to a gym, although he later told police he stayed only a few minutes because "he felt very guilty and sick to his stomach" for deciding to go out.

    He was spotted by an off-duty sheriff's deputy who knew of the quarantine order on Murawski and saw him with a gym bag walking down a street to a parking lot where got in a car driven by his wife, the court complaint said.

    A short time later, an on-duty deputy pulled over a car carrying Murawski and Bennett. The deputy asked Murawski, "Aren't you supposed to be at home?" Murawski "put his head down and stated yes and began apologizing profusely," according to the complaint.

    Murawski allegedly admitted to breaking the quarantine because "he was going crazy," having had to stay inside since April 26.

    The quarantine placed on Murawski was the least-restrictive type possible, according to the complaint.​

     
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    The Association Of American Physicians & Surgeons "Strongly Opposes" Mandatory Vaccines

    Due to a measles outbreak in the United States, frightened people are pushing an agenda to take an important medical decision out of the hands of parents. They’re calling for federally mandated vaccines. They’re calling for the shaming of parents who have chosen not to vaccinate their children.


    The hysteria is running high, fueled by fear and memes.


    Whether you opt to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, I think we can agree we all want what’s best for our children.


    An important letter was presented last week to the Senate subcommittee that is discussing federal laws that force parents to vaccinate their children. The statement below is from The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and they have come out strongly in opposition to the possibility of federally mandated vaccines.....
     
  14. Knobby22

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    No kids have died since 2015. the trouble is herd immunity is lost if too many don't innoculate. It's usually the babies that die as there immune system is still developing.

    More recently, measles cases and measles deaths in the United States include:

    • 2000 – 86 cases – 1 measles death (infant) – endemic spread of measles eliminated in U.S.
    • 2001 – 116 cases – 1 measles death
    • 2002 – 44 cases
    • 2003 – 55 cases – 1 measles death (1 year old)
    • 2004 – 37 cases – record low number of measles cases
    • 2005 – 66 cases – 1 measles death (1 year old)
    • 2006 – 55 cases
    • 2007 – 43 cases
    • 2008 – 140 cases
    • 2009 – 71 cases – 2 measles deaths
    • 2010 – 63 cases – 2 measles deaths
    • 2011 – 220 cases
    • 2012 – 55 cases – 2 measles deaths
    • 2013 – 187 cases (large outbreak in New York City – 58 cases)
    • 2014 – 667 cases (the worst year for measles since 1994, including the largest single outbreak since the endemic spread of measles was eliminated – 377 cases in Ohio)
    • 2015 – 188 cases – got off to a strong start with a big outbreak in California – 1 measles death
    • 2016 – 86 cases
    • 2017 – 120 cases
    • 2018 – 372
    • https://vaxopedia.org/2018/04/15/when-was-the-last-measles-death-in-the-united-states/
     
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    This one is close to home....

    Measles warning after man visits Brisbane CBD, Valley, Spring Hill
    Health authorities are concerned the latest measles case in south-east Queensland could be the first recent case of a person contracting the disease in Queensland, instead of overseas.


    The Metro North Public Health Unit has confirmed a man who was contagious with the disease visited a number of locations in the Brisbane CBD, Fortitude Valley and Spring Hill from March 13 to March 21.

    The locations include-
    • The Sportsman Hotel, Spring Hill – 8-10.30pm Fri 15 March
    • Ferny Grove train line Mitchelton to Brisbane Central Station – 1.30pm Sat 16 March
    • Fitness First Gymnasium, Elizabeth St, Brisbane – 4pm-5.30pm Sun 17 March
    • Palace Cinemas, James St, Fortitude Valley – 8.30pm-11pm Mon 18 March
    • Discount Drug Stores, Brunswick St, Fortitude Valley – 10.30am – 11.30 am Tues 19 March and 10.30am – 11.30am Thurs 21 March

    Health authorities are urging anyone who was in those areas on those dates who start to exhibit symptoms to stay at home and call their GP for advice.

    The current case is the eighth case of measles recorded in Queensland since the start of this year.

    Metro North Public Health Physician Megan Young said while they haven’t been able to directly connect the man with any of the other cases, he had not been overseas recently.

    “We’re at a bit of a loss as to the source (of the infection) but we’re still investigating that,” Dr Young said.

    “Of the cases that have occurred in Queensland this year, this is the first person who doesn’t have an overseas travel history.”

    Dr Young said the fact there had been such a cluster of measles cases in the first three months of the year meant the state had “dodged a bullet” up until now by having no secondary infections.

    Other than contracting the disease from a known case the man could have contracted it from a previously undiagnosed person, but Dr Young said that was unlikely because measles was so virulent people almost always sought medical attention when they contracted it.

    “Measles is still infectious up to 30 minutes after an infected person leaves a room, so it’s possible this person has shared some airspace with an infected person and we haven’t uncovered that yet,” she said.

    There were just three cases of measles in Queensland at this time last year, and 14 cases total in 2018, all of which also came from people travelling to countries where measles was an endemic disease.

    Early in March, there were two cases in two weeks in south-east Queensland, after one patient visited the Redlands area and another flew to Brisbane on an Emirates flight, leading to a warning for everyone on that plane as well as the Brisbane hotel where the person stayed.

    NSW issued a measles alert last week after an adult and a child were diagnosed with the highly contagious disease, while visitors to the Melbourne Grand Prix on March 16 and 17 were also warned of a possible infection risk after a woman was diagnosed with measles.

    The latest cases follow outbreaks of the disease in the United States and other countries where it had previously been eradicated.

    Measles is considered to have been eradicated as a native disease in Australia by the World Health Organisation by 2005 at the latest, with no confirmed cases of primary infection since 1999.

    Dr Young said a standard course of two doses of the Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine was enough to protect most people from contracting the highly contagious virus.

    “Vaccination rates are important; the more people who are vaccinated against measles, the less common the disease is going to be,” she said.

    “Obviously people are travelling to countries with measles, and if they’re not checking their immune status before they travel then obviously they are very susceptible to it in a place they are more likely to get exposed.

    The symptoms for measles include fever, lethargy, runny nose, moist cough and sore and red eyes, followed a few days later by a blotchy, red rash.

    These symptoms can take between seven and 18 days after contact with an infectious person to appear.​


     
  17. fiftyeight

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    My brain hurts, must be all the vaccinations building up and causing autism.

    Or more likely the high level of cognitive dissonance I am feeling.

    People are free to make their own dumb decisions (I make many) vs if too many dumb decisions are made immunisation rates drop to levels jeopardising herd immunisation. My cousin included who cannot be vaccinated to for various reasons
     
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    Check out these idiots. It's a double whammy...

    Scientology cruise ship quarantined in Caribbean
    after measles diagnosed aboard
    Health officials for the Caribbean island of St Lucia have donated 100 free doses of measles vaccine to a Church of Scientology cruise ship placed under quarantine in port after the highly contagious disease was diagnosed on board.

    One case of measles has been confirmed aboard the ship, which has been docked in a port near the island nation's capital, Castries, since Tuesday (local time), according to the island's chief medical officer, Dr Merlene Frederick-James.

    "The confirmed case as well as other crew members are presently stable but remain under surveillance by the ship's doctor," Dr Frederick-James said in a video statement, noting the incubation period of measles is 10 to 12 days before symptoms appear.

    The St Lucia Ministry of Health ordered the ship to be quarantined.

    The restriction came as the number of measles cases in the United States has reached a 25-year peak with more than 700 people diagnosed as of this week, part of an international resurgence in the disease.

    Australia has experienced similar outbreaks — just five years after being declared measles free, there have already been 92 confirmed cases this year according to the federal Department of Health.

    Dr Frederick-James said the doses of measles vaccines were being supplied to the ship free of charge.

    She gave no information about the ship or its origins.

    NBC News, citing a St Lucia Coast Guard sergeant, reported the ship is named Freewinds, which is the name of a 440-foot vessel owned and operated by the Church of Scientology.

    According to Reuters Eikon shipping data, a Panamanian-flagged cruise ship identified as SMV Freewinds was docked in port near Castries on Thursday.

    The ship was headed next to the island of Dominica, the data showed.

    On its website, the Church of Scientology describes the Freewinds as a floating "religious retreat ministering the most advanced level of spiritual counselling in the Scientology religion".

    Church officials did not respond to requests for comment.

    NBC News reported nearly 300 passengers and crew were aboard the vessel, with one female crew member diagnosed with measles.

    Public health officials blame declining vaccination rates in some communities driven by misinformation about inoculation that has left those populations vulnerable to rapid spread of infection among those with no immunity to the virus.

    The vast majority of US cases have occurred in children who have not received vaccines against measles, mumps and rubella, officials said.​

     
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    Measles: German minister proposes steep fines for anti-vaxxers

    German Health Minister Jens Spahn is proposing a law that allows for fining parents of unvaccinated children up to €2,500 ($2,800). The conservative lawmaker said he wants to "eradicate" measles.

    Parents in Germany who refuse to vaccinate their children against measles would be required to pay up to €2,500 ($2,800) in fines and their children would be thrown out of kindergarten, according to a draft law put forward by Health Minister Jens Spahn.

    "I want to eradicate measles," Spahn told the mass circulation Bild am Sonntag paper. "All parents should be secure in the knowledge that their children will not be infected and endangered by measles."

    Germany's Robert Koch Institute believes that 93% of children have the necessary immunization. However, this is still short of the recommended 95% rate.

    Spahn said the kindergarten ban would help protect children too young to receive any immunization shots.

    "Kindergartens have children under 10 months of age, who are too young for vaccinations and are therefore especially threatened," Spahn told the paper.


    All by 2020

    The bill has a different solution for parents of schoolchildren. Elementary education is mandatory in Germany, so the law would not be able to keep unvaccinated children out of schools. Instead, their parents would be required to pay the fine.

    In addition to newborns, there are also older children whose health prevents them from getting immunized, such as organ recipients or people suffering from leukemia. Their parents would need to provide proof of the medical condition that prevents them from getting the vaccine.

    By July 2020, other parents who attempt to sign up their children for kindergartens or schools would need to provide confirmation that their children have been vaccinated.

    Vaccinations will also become mandatory for employees of hospitals and private medical practices.​


     
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    Hmm, if you think about it, it is one way of using the internet to wage war against a country.
     

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