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Tulsi Gabbard for POTUS

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by wayneL, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:16 PM.

  1. wayneL

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    Ain't gonna happen in 2020. But I'm keeping my eye on her, IMO she would be a great Democratic and first female POTUS.

    It's Trump 2020 and I'm all for that, but people like her are the future of the Dems Imo...Once they get past the disease of woke.
     
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    trump is a pain in the butt, i agree tulsi is the best of the dems but she is also cfr
     
  3. Value Collector

    Value Collector Have courage, and be kind.

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    I would love to see AOC as the next POTUS, just to see people flip out, hahaha.
     
  4. Klogg

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    That's because her policies are ridiculous. Example - wiping student debt.
    Another - destroying the dept of homeland security.

    There are republicans that are just as ridiculous. Hopefully neither ever get close to POTUS
     
  5. Value Collector

    Value Collector Have courage, and be kind.

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    Are you talking about her actual policies? Or what Fox News headlines say her policies are?

    They are normally two different things.
     
  6. Klogg

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    To be honest, I didn't pull these off her website. Not necessarily from Fox, but I get your point.
     
  7. wayneL

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    Yeah they are , the real policies are worse.
     
  8. Klogg

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    I took a look at her website. I agree with a fair few of these, although I don't understanding funding implications to be honest.

    However, the ones I don't agree with are pretty huge. Destroying ICE (Immigration and customs enforcement)? What a joke. That's ended very badly in Europe, and a model that everyone should be moving away from, not towards.

    Similarly, the federal jobs guarantee is disastrous. Minimum wages in general are a bad idea. We shouldn't force employers to pay a certain amount. Instead, we should allow them to receive whatever the market dictates, and provide government assistance as required. If they need more food stamps, go for it. Housing assistance? Sure. Australia's model is wrong, and the US shouldn't follow suit.

    On the flipside, her stance of medicare is good (again, I'm ignorant on funding implications) and on housing. But there is a lack of detail (as with any candidate), so it should be said that I'm not assuming the worst possible implementation of these.

    Finally - free education is a bad idea. Sure, don't force people to leverage themselves up to their eyeballs, but a small portion paid by the student leaves them valuing the education much more.
     
  9. kahuna1

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    Hmmm ...

    AOC is demonized for universal healthcare.
    She cannot become president till she is 35 so maybe 2024.
    She is not an option likely till 2028.

    When one reads the state of USA healthcare and a hernia operation here at 6k according to Medicare and same for BUPA and $16,000-USD so $27l AUD in the USA average .... its a tip of the iceberg.

    Corporate tax collected in USA in 2000 was 205 billion in 2019 .... economy 240% the size and taking out foreign tax repatriated to the USA a mere 189 billion collected in 2019. Its 37% of 1980 levels.

    Whilst Tulsi I suspect has no chance, she is too fringe and Hawaiian of even more exotic decent so unlikely to get traction.

    Biden is another Clinton or Obama and will do little for USA and its people.
    Warren a bit too nutty even for me with her wealth tax issues.
    Bernie .... labelled a socialist for wanting a universal healthcare system and people such as Bezos who amassed 130 billion ... a company worth 1 trillion, which PAID no tax in 25 years, paid no dividend is the tip of the USA issues.

    Eventually things will swing the other way, possibly 2020.
    When say insulin costs $6- USD to make sells for $33- in 40 nations and sells for $350- in the USA there is a massive problem.

    Fiscal side, USA just hit 1.05 trillion deficit and 22.6 trillion debt.
    ITs over 107% of GDP. AND RISING .... fast.
    Trump proposes tax cuts .... more and even without it USA will hit 120% of Debt to GDP in 2023.

    EU .... collects 40% of tax in GDP .... USA a mere 30%.

    All tax stops on social issues at $120,000- and Free over 65 Medicare tax and medicare for those disabled at 2.9% is LOWER than even Australia but can and is avoided by the top 10%. Basically an 18% lower tax for the rich.

    Then antics of tax evasion practiced by Bill Gates still defraud 500 million tax from Australia alone each year. GST is be being openly avoided and sales made via tax havens. Same for Google and Facebook ...

    Things will change, but not I suspect via Tulsi ...

    Biden I think has no hope.

    Trump is toxic and that he appears not to have paid any tax for 25 years, and insane thing to say.

    Warren sadly, too stiff I suspect, Bernie will be painted as some commie for wanting better care for most USA people.

    Other fringe people still in the race may have a chance.

    Amusing when dialysis for kidney fails is 70% run by one company in the USA. one poor guy for 14 weeks of treatment got charged 550,000 USD which, whilst extreme is 30 times the charge in Canada or here.

    World will change and lights on and lights off will occur rapidly.
    China and Trade issue a mere distraction, but reality is China MUST and IS making its own independent products more and more as a result of actions of Trump.

    It has no choice.

    Rest of foreign policy is to reduce world oil production, so letys invade Libya .... Embargo Iran and Venezuela so those fracking wells and tar sands which cost $50- PLUS per barrel to produce are economic. Bugger the human tolls.

    Venezuela and its supposedly a humanitarian reason ? What BS .... three central American nations with the highest murder and crime rates, why the immigrants are fleeing .... USA cut off all aid and now via the supreme court bars them from any asylum in the USA.

    I might add the Koch brothers and their refinery interests behind one move, the halfwit son of Warren Buffet behind the border wall issue ....

    USA is becoming irrelevant and more and more so.
     
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    Tulsi is not my choice and her views ... well summarized in this Utube.

    100,000 Americans wounded by guns each year .... her other views even more absurd. Open borders ? Really ?



    No wonder she has little support. After listening .... she is an empty vessel.
     
  11. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    Don't understand this as major monopoly's like Amazon use the government welfare system to help pay for the low wages its employees receive all the time avoiding tax with the country ending up with a large population of barely living a subsistence life style.
    Isn't the point in a democracy to have a balance that favours the population rather than large monopoly's?
     
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    That depends. The only people you're favouring by imposing a minimum wage are those receiving that wage. Everyone else (a larger portion) need to pay more for those services to fund the wages.

    Yes, those same people need to fund welfare benefits for those with a now lower wage bill, if we had no minimum wage. But a greater number of business would exist, and lesser unemployment to offset it.
    Basically, a larger number of people on a much smaller welfare amount

    I'm not arguing that people on this wage should end up with less. Just that we get them to the same point in a different way
     
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    Yes ...
    In the USA unemployment benifits cut out after 6 months.
    Welfare, well its a shambles and Medicaid the emergency free one is a 15 year old with aspirin offered to a cancer patient.

    Its that bad, without insurance, in 33 states your in a car accident, loose your legs, they if they are a public hospital must treat you ... but you will not be offered even a wheelchair or crutches let alone rehab or any other service. Its is a form of medical Apartheid if not genocide they operate there now.

    Something sadly very wrong with all of this picture ignoring human issues.
    Since the middle class in the USA is now only holding 7% of the wealth down from 24% in 1980 which even then was not good ... companies like Amazon and Microsoft and Google have resorted to also stealing tax from each and every nation they operate in.

    Australia included.

    These things change and will change eventually ... or almost overnight with some things.

    Trump is actually proposing to cut tax .... with stocks at all time highs ,,, driven by the tax cuts which cant be sustained even ignoring human issues, and also proposes cutting interest rates to below zero with USA reported unemployment at 3.7% ... which I might add is a fable.

    There are 4 walls of straw in this house right now and all are on fire .... not evident I might add to say delusional Fox viewers or belligerent MAGA followers.
     
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    In 1980 American minimum wage at around $3 was identical to the Australian one. Wikipedia even has that.

    Political donations and bribery, actions by self interests of the Koch brothers and Waltons who run Walmart along with large employers, and in 2019 our minimum hourly wage is $19.60 an hour and the USA sits at $7.25 an hour.

    This also added to health being not great in the USA but costing 6% of GDP ... it covered say 80% of people .... now in 2019 it covers 65% of people and USA costs 20% of GDP for really awful cover.

    Again well documented and with billionaires running the governments commerce department and Goldman Sachs in control of USA treasury since 2000 .... what did the weighting of Medical on CPI do which was 6% weighting in 1980 .... what is the weighting today on USA CPI ?

    7% .....

    Reality is the service is awful in 2019 .... it was bad if you were not white in 1980 ....

    Something will change and the biggest donations to USA politicians ? Health sector .... about 250 million a year above the table and the same amount camouflaged. In reality USA does not just pay double its paying more than triple any other OECD nation for its healthcare.

    Whilst Tulsi looks great , and I applaud some of her service, she like even better versed ones on this topic has not much idea of what they are talking about.

    I personally would love a better fairer healthcare system for USA. It however I think may be naive of me to expect it when its generating SUPER profits of close to 200 billion a year. Part from say the Insurers who just hit 30 billion a year, part from healthcare providers and private hospitals and equipment makers who charge 4 times as much for a MRI .... a big slice from say Dialysis which is controlled by one company who charges 10 times as much ... on average for the treatments. One recent bill for 14 treatments came to 550k USD about 30 times the bill in Canada or UK or here ...

    Biggest of course is drug makers who in the USA are able to charge what they like and Asthma or preventives at 4 times anywhere else to say absurd things costing $85,000- in the USA and $250- in India where the actual drug is manufactured. Bernie Sanders often speaks about Insulin and it had a patent sold for $1- in 1922 .... costs $6- per vial to make, costs between $30-32 to buy in 55 nations and in the USA ? $325- !!

    If say 90% of this 200 billion pile of medical genocide and rape evaporated and it will ... either post 2020 or 2024 ... the impact on just one slab of the USA economy as medical blackmail and extortion left ... the valuation of 180 billion 0p0rofit leaving FOREVER the USA equity side at a P/E of say 18 .... that would and WILL wipe 15% forever off the market.

    As to Tech crooks .... similar effects MUST occur ... MUST because globally it cannot be afforded so as to say fund Mr Bexo's next affair ? OR Facebooks donations to charity .... which amount to ZERO ... or Sponsor googles good deeds ? which again amount to not a thing, as for MR Gates maybe he will stop spending 6 billion on one medical procedure in the USA ... Abortions for non whites and actually give some money to overall white black, brown or whatever care in the USA. Mr Buffet also has only done the same ... keep America great party ... and white ... Buffett of course has also spent 1.8 billion funding wall activities and keeping Central Americans fleeing violence and crime out of the USA. He and all the above alone are worth MORE than the GDP of all 3 nations they are fleeing.

    Sorry Tulsi ... is not a fav. Nor Biden or Beto, Yang is delusional ... Warren ... well a calculated mealy mouthed centrist. She already has waved the white flag and her goal is ... pathetic, shoot for the MOON ... not your won feet. Sure you may not get your wish but Warren and even worse Biden is a joke.

    It still leaves a few, and whilst I think Bernie is too old, America is too racist to elect a jewish man, sadly that leaves Warren who I suspect is going to be as pathetic as Obama on this issue. Great speeches will ensue and logic galore. NOT a thing will change or it will be skin deep.

    Sadly the rest of the world has no choice but to make its own way and stop this crap they are trying to spread now that they have relieved their middle class of all wealth, via non payment globally of tax by the tech side and oil side .... its costing 1-2% of GDP in most developed nations.

    Enuf ... who will win ? No Idea. Not Yang ... Not Tulsi ... the rest ,,, Biden I very much doubt he will even make 2020. So this still leaves quite a few. Beto is not going to get there ... Buttplug is no chance ...
    Karmala Harris I dont think possible due to some actions as a DA ... but possible.

    So for me, Warren is appearing more likely but she is .... sadly another Obama type.
    Bernie the media hates and when even the left leaning Washington post does 16 stories in a day because he HAD to introduce GET BEZOS tax which owner ... Amazon Owner and Washington Post owner Bezos will never forgive, of forget, he doesn't need to tell staff what to write, its BLOODY clear.

    To be honest, maybe Trump is a better option till 2024 as Warren stinks and her pathetic stands on ANY and all issues is like Obama who gave great speeches, great PR ... but ignored any and all issues. He was in power for 8 years, and these things the mess post 1980 .... 39 years .... and it got far worse post 2000 ... he ran things for nearly HALF that !!

    MAGA ... Trump forever ... and at least what is clear about the USA and the ruling 2,000 or so uber rich and corporate types will be very clear by 2024 . I might have thought a 1.055 trillion deficit or 22.6 trillion debat might have sunk in ...

    NOPE its like say Tobacco in 1970 ... all good or climate change in2019 ... FAKE NEWS


    MAGA ... Trump 2020 .... Ivanka Trump 2024 2028 .... Donald Junior 2032 2036 and then Barron Trump 2040 2044 !!!

    Sadly there will be no residents due to healthcare costs in the USA post 2030.
     
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    Bernie Sanders for President !

    He would stir things up like no one else.

    Rank outsider though.
     
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    I would love Bernie to be elected.

    He is however called a communist, socialist, for wanting merely what we have .... Medicare for all.
    The media is so totally under corporate control .... not just like twats on Sky here ... Fox news one poll runner has had him at 10% and Biden who is a bought and paid for corporate democrat at 32-33% .. similar total BS polls.

    Not because I think his policies are better for USA ... and its people and the bloody planet ... just observations.

    There are 12 major USA polls taken ,., and whilst polling is hard nowadays with mobiles ... some seem more reactive to events and others well BS ...., Some have Biden Warren and Sanders neck and neck after Biden leading when he entered and falling back. I strongly suspect this is about right with not much between the three as opposed to say Fox poll with Biden beating Bernie every time by 22-23%.

    Bernie has the most donators ..... small donators ... massive volunteers at around a million.
    All of that is fingers crossed ...

    But the media ... Fox news is so anti Bernie and Pro Trump its a disgrace. That Washington Post which Bezos owns ... wrote recently 27 negative Bernie articles ,,,, and in 2016 it was 17 on one day ... is how hard these neo liberal billionaire arse-heads control things. America is in dire straights, for the lower 80% but the media is without any funded impartial section in the USA. So for most who are not that interested and find the truths, or can say watch three different news shows and get some gist of the actual impacts, the news comes from bloody Facebook or Fox news .

    I thought after many years of being a USA resident and expert, some things would never happen on the pension and healthcare side. I was wrong. It is amazing to see when something is not reported what is tolerated .... and to have say 500,000 people being made bankrupt for medical bills each year is absurd. If there were 100 in Australia I would be surprised.

    As for the global antics of some of the tech tax cheats, Gates has been doing if for many years, Bezos and Scumbag at Facebook are just apprentices.

    Bernie would be good.
    A new PM for Australia with a spine would be better. One that actually would demand even the basics of GST be paid by Microsoft Google and Facebook. As for NO tax on profits, or at 2.3% ... of ACTUAL profits they generate and allowed all R+D and costs deducted ,,, we deserve better ,,,, Instead our fathead PM ... afraid of Donald Trump ... who is just another tax avoiding arse and a racists, our PM much to our shame is about to get served 3 meat pies at a state dinner at the White House. Ignore 30 billion in unpaid tax EACH YEAR .... and going to Iran ? Our navy ? Mr Trumps shoes will be clean with all the licking he does !!

    Bought and paid for ... the only Western leader licking Trumps boots is OUR PM !!
     
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    I note drone attacks in Saudi being claimed by as done the Houthi from YEMEN ... are being blamed on another nation IRAN.

    War ... WAR WAR ... Trump gets his wish.
    Heaven Help us.
     
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    I might have missed something somewhere, but I don't think Trumps wants war. I note that the Major Dem contenders are all Hawks though.

    Its more a case of God Emporer help us.
     
  19. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    I get your point and would possibly agree but just don't see the historical evidence particularly in the US where you have a rising disparity in wealth (not seen since the 20/30's) and a shrinking middle class. The reasons for this are many but prominently is the structure that gives advantage to the wealthy and monopoly corporations buying the very worst of politicians (Australia a mini version).

    Irony is conservatives decrying the greatness of yesteryear when tax's were much higher and middle class much stronger yet they are doing the exact opposite that created those years.

    Note a high minimum wage go to a group that returns those funds straight back into the general economy, I don't believe or haven't seen the recent removal of OT rates from the lowest paid has seen a dramatic change either in unemployment or a benefit to the general economy.

    Still I think we will continue down the current rabbit hole of booming unfunded debt world wide that will be handed to punters (us) to face the consequences and against that our conversation will be pointless :)
     
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    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    I think its one of Trumps few redeeming points that he hasn't started a war unlike every other US president Republican / Democrat, still was he a genius for firing John Bolton or a fool for hiring him?
     

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