Australian (ASX) Stock Market Forum

TSLA - Tesla Motors Inc (NASDAQ)

bluekelah

StockFan
Joined
25 March 2013
Posts
155
Reactions
301
I am sure those situations are included in both auto pilot and non autopilot situations, if fact if a driver is going to be drunk or have a stroke or be severely fatigued I hope that the do have autopilot engaged for their safety and mine.

Thats actually an argument for autopilot, because as you have pointed out humans can be un reliable for a number of reasons.



Thats the whole point, two heads are better than one, autopilot will prevent crashes humans normally cause, and the alert person can prevent autopilot crashing, In Australia Teslas are not "full autopilot" updated yet, the driver is meant to be monitoring it, and be ready to take over.



Why does it have to be perfect? it just has to be better than humans.

For example if on average humans cause a crash that results in a death every 100,000 miles, but auto pilot caused a crash every 500,000 miles, thats a huge improvement.




Current version of autopilot do not say that you can sleep, it clearly says you need to be alert.

However, drivers even without auto pilot suffer from "micro sleeps" that cause accidents, and you would be much safer in that situation with autopilot on.





I can't see how that could happen, an alert driver with autopilot on would just take over. only a distracted Tesla driver would crash, but then again a distracted Tesla driver is far less likely to crash than a distracted non autopilot car.
Tell that to the bloke involved in this model y crash who had been using autopilot for 3 years and now finally crashed. I am pretty sure he was alert, as the reporter said he claimed the car just wobbled and went off the road. Even if he took over the car would have crashed, many car accidents are split second, like if u are rounding a corner at even 50 or 60kms, by the time system says take over the car would have already gone straight out of the bend. Why would I want to put myself in a car that the autopilot can malfunction and run through red lights , suddenly go off the road , explode in flames at rest or soon after a big accident? Yeah sure the incidence of this is less compared to drunk drivers and all the riff raff.

But I am a safe defensive driver , have been for past 20years , never had any accidents , one speeding ticket every 10 years. And my parents 40 years clean driving records , never crashed a car. Why would I wanna risk the chance I have to 'take over and correct a autopilot mistake, especially if I have wife and kids on board.

And what's the point of an imperfect autopilot u have to be alert all the time to make sure it doesn't f up.

And yeah it's not just in Australia, Tesla's everywhere are still only at level 2 autonomous whether usa or Europe or australia. Elon keeps saying Tesla will be at level 4 but yeah crashes keep happening and there u go.

I might get a new electric for the wife in a couple years time , maybe even a tesla, but autonomous driving package? No thank you..
 
Joined
21 March 2020
Posts
155
Reactions
294
Tell that to the bloke involved in this model y crash who had been using autopilot for 3 years and now finally crashed. I am pretty sure he was alert, as the reporter said he claimed the car just wobbled and went off the road. Even if he took over the car would have crashed, many car accidents are split second, like if u are rounding a corner at even 50 or 60kms, by the time system says take over the car would have already gone straight out of the bend. Why would I want to put myself in a car that the autopilot can malfunction and run through red lights , suddenly go off the road , explode in flames at rest or soon after a big accident? Yeah sure the incidence of this is less compared to drunk drivers and all the riff raff.

But I am a safe defensive driver , have been for past 20years , never had any accidents , one speeding ticket every 10 years. And my parents 40 years clean driving records , never crashed a car. Why would I wanna risk the chance I have to 'take over and correct a autopilot mistake, especially if I have wife and kids on board.

And what's the point of an imperfect autopilot u have to be alert all the time to make sure it doesn't f up.

And yeah it's not just in Australia, Tesla's everywhere are still only at level 2 autonomous whether usa or Europe or australia. Elon keeps saying Tesla will be at level 4 but yeah crashes keep happening and there u go.

I might get a new electric for the wife in a couple years time , maybe even a tesla, but autonomous driving package? No thank you..
Some people like cruise control some don’t- same thing
 

Value Collector

Have courage, and be kind.
Joined
13 January 2014
Posts
9,041
Reactions
4,159
Tell that to the bloke involved in this model y crash who had been using autopilot for 3 years and now finally crashed. I am pretty sure he was alert, as the reporter said he claimed the car just wobbled and went off the road. Even if he took over the car would have crashed, many car accidents are split second, like if u are rounding a corner at even 50 or 60kms, by the time system says take over the car would have already gone straight out of the bend. Why would I want to put myself in a car that the autopilot can malfunction and run through red lights , suddenly go off the road , explode in flames at rest or soon after a big accident? Yeah sure the incidence of this is less compared to drunk drivers and all the riff raff.

But I am a safe defensive driver , have been for past 20years , never had any accidents , one speeding ticket every 10 years. And my parents 40 years clean driving records , never crashed a car. Why would I wanna risk the chance I have to 'take over and correct a autopilot mistake, especially if I have wife and kids on board.

And what's the point of an imperfect autopilot u have to be alert all the time to make sure it doesn't f up.

And yeah it's not just in Australia, Tesla's everywhere are still only at level 2 autonomous whether usa or Europe or australia. Elon keeps saying Tesla will be at level 4 but yeah crashes keep happening and there u go.

I might get a new electric for the wife in a couple years time , maybe even a tesla, but autonomous driving package? No thank you..
Firstly, your safe defensive 20 year driving history is to small of a sample to compare, because so far Teslas with auto pilot engaged have only recorded 1 crash for every 8 Million kms driven, and I doubt you have driven 8 Million kms, you might not even have driven 1 million, driving 20,000 kms a year would take 400 years to reach 8 million, so even your parents 40 year history is to small, your family would need to avoid a crash for 10 generations to equal the safety of a Tesla.

There was probably multiple other car crashes that day involving human error, they just don’t make the news.

We don’t know if the guy was alert or not, he could have been sending a text message who knows, you can take control of the car in literally less than a second, a soon as you resist the steering wheel turning the autopilot shuts off.

A lot of teslas in the USA now have full self driving, which is different from the autopilot currently available here, we just have the standard autopilot.
 

bluekelah

StockFan
Joined
25 March 2013
Posts
155
Reactions
301
Firstly, your safe defensive 20 year driving history is to small of a sample to compare, because so far Teslas with auto pilot engaged have only recorded 1 crash for every 8 Million kms driven, and I doubt you have driven 8 Million kms, you might not even have driven 1 million, driving 20,000 kms a year would take 400 years to reach 8 million, so even your parents 40 year history is to small, your family would need to avoid a crash for 10 generations to equal the safety of a Tesla.

There was probably multiple other car crashes that day involving human error, they just don’t make the news.

We don’t know if the guy was alert or not, he could have been sending a text message who knows, you can take control of the car in literally less than a second, a soon as you resist the steering wheel turning the autopilot shuts off.

A lot of teslas in the USA now have full self driving, which is different from the autopilot currently available here, we just have the standard autopilot.
Some of the Teslas in USA are on full self driving BETA... you should read this article by a Tesla car fan who is currently trialling the system. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/02/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-how-close-to-level-5-autonomy/

Most notably still errors in :
[Choosing the correct lane, Unprotected turns in heavy traffic,Speed bumps and dips, Phantom braking, Phantom swerving, Premature stopping, !!Running stop signs!!, Stopping at rotaries, Timid behavior at stop signs]

[From the improvements I have seen in three versions of FSD Beta, do I see significant progress toward Level 5 autonomy? Short answer: I won’t be holding my breath.]

Written by : Arthur Frederick (Fritz) Hasler, PhD, former leader of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization & Analysis Laboratory

As I said before, if your autopilot runs a stop sign or does some sudden wierd moves that will swerve you off the road in one second, you wont even have time to react even if you are alert and take control.

We shall see, Elon is probably not gonna buy twitter now, or cant afford his offer price. Tesla looks like its lost the EV battle in Europe / China for now. Even the most highly touted full self driving is in doubt as other car makers embrace LiDAR tech and get to level 3 autonomy. Mercedes Benz became first to get regulatory approval in producing vehicles capable of Level 3 autonomous. not that it matters, it would take a lot to convince me to put my family at risk with an autonomous system thats not perfect lol...
 

Value Collector

Have courage, and be kind.
Joined
13 January 2014
Posts
9,041
Reactions
4,159
Some of the Teslas in USA are on full self driving BETA... you should read this article by a Tesla car fan who is currently trialling the system. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/02/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-how-close-to-level-5-autonomy/

Most notably still errors in :
[Choosing the correct lane, Unprotected turns in heavy traffic,Speed bumps and dips, Phantom braking, Phantom swerving, Premature stopping, !!Running stop signs!!, Stopping at rotaries, Timid behavior at stop signs]

[From the improvements I have seen in three versions of FSD Beta, do I see significant progress toward Level 5 autonomy? Short answer: I won’t be holding my breath.]

Written by : Arthur Frederick (Fritz) Hasler, PhD, former leader of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization & Analysis Laboratory

As I said before, if your autopilot runs a stop sign or does some sudden wierd moves that will swerve you off the road in one second, you wont even have time to react even if you are alert and take control.

We shall see, Elon is probably not gonna buy twitter now, or cant afford his offer price. Tesla looks like its lost the EV battle in Europe / China for now. Even the most highly touted full self driving is in doubt as other car makers embrace LiDAR tech and get to level 3 autonomy. Mercedes Benz became first to get regulatory approval in producing vehicles capable of Level 3 autonomous. not that it matters, it would take a lot to convince me to put my family at risk with an autonomous system thats not perfect lol...
I have owned my Tesla for nearly 3 years now, and have seen constant improvements ins the autopilot.

If you see a stop sign and your car isn’t slowing down and acting like it’s going to stop, you just press the brake, this is what it means to be “alert”, especially in the trial mode of the beta program, the vehicles are actively learning.

As the stats show though, one crash in 8 million kms is far better than 1 crash in 2.5 Million which is the Human figures.
 
Joined
11 March 2020
Posts
784
Reactions
877
Reading the previous post highlights one thing to me - people that have no experience with the subject material have to jump to conclusions.

Want to comment, no problems everyone has the right to a say. Want to tell everyone how it is, get some experience first.
 
Joined
30 June 2008
Posts
12,244
Reactions
4,581
Some of the Teslas in USA are on full self driving BETA... you should read this article by a Tesla car fan who is currently trialling the system. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/02/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-how-close-to-level-5-autonomy/

Most notably still errors in :
[Choosing the correct lane, Unprotected turns in heavy traffic,Speed bumps and dips, Phantom braking, Phantom swerving, Premature stopping, !!Running stop signs!!, Stopping at rotaries, Timid behavior at stop signs]

[From the improvements I have seen in three versions of FSD Beta, do I see significant progress toward Level 5 autonomy? Short answer: I won’t be holding my breath.]

Written by : Arthur Frederick (Fritz) Hasler, PhD, former leader of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization & Analysis Laboratory

As I said before, if your autopilot runs a stop sign or does some sudden wierd moves that will swerve you off the road in one second, you wont even have time to react even if you are alert and take control.

We shall see, Elon is probably not gonna buy twitter now, or cant afford his offer price. Tesla looks like its lost the EV battle in Europe / China for now. Even the most highly touted full self driving is in doubt as other car makers embrace LiDAR tech and get to level 3 autonomy. Mercedes Benz became first to get regulatory approval in producing vehicles capable of Level 3 autonomous. not that it matters, it would take a lot to convince me to put my family at risk with an autonomous system thats not perfect lol...

That was an exceptionally useful insight into the current status of autonomous Tesla cars.
The writer is clearly very supportive of the technology and uses it extensively.
It works well in many situations.
Nonetheless there are still some important driving situations that haven't been sorted out.

That doesn't mean it is rubbish or useless. Just means that people need to be awake when they are driving.
I also think that it would pay to be aware and made aware of the particular quirks that drivers should look out for. They are not small potatoes and in fact represent some significant driving situations that would put drivers at risk.:2twocents
 
Top