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Garpal Gumnut

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The Leader of the Opposition has at last come out with a policy to reinvigorate the nation.

He will cut the dole from the hundreds of thousands of bludgers hiding in front of their bong strewn TV's in Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, supplied with weed money via Centrelink.

The regions are crying out for workers while these bludgers watch "Dancing with an Underbelly" or some other **** on Channel 7 or 9.

A close substance testing regime, some hard work and an improvement in their self esteem would do wonders for these bludgers.

Presently they live a pitiful existence in the old manufacturing states of Australia with the excuse that there is no work available locally.

What a paltry excuse to bludge off taxpayers. Move em out, to quote a famous song.

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them bludgers movin' Rawhide!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope and throw and grab 'em,
Soon they'll be living high and wide.

gg
 
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gg, there are issues in Brisneyland and the Glitter Strip as well.

Tracee just sent this to me on the feed this morning,

"SUSPENDED and expelled school students will be put under police care to stem a behavioural crisis in Gold Coast schools.

The tough-love measure comes after wayward kids were blamed for a spike in daytime crime."

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/04/22/210475_gold-coast-news.html


Tough-love & some hardening up are definitely required to stop the slide. :eek:
 

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Great in theory but probably not so workable when put into practice:2twocents

Yes, if he had ever employed someone who was either inclined to loaf on welfare and had to get, or got placed in a job that they didn't want to be in, he would know they are not usually very productive, attentive or loyal, not to mention often a safety and security risk.

I believe the mining assoc's have frowned on the idea cos they need skilled staff.

What he needed to do is come up with is better incentives for people to work in those remote locations, like transport subsidy or rebates cos I know many who travel for long periods and high cost to get into these locations for their shifts. They are not all ferried in and out by their employer.

The induction process can also be a bit of an expense for long term unemployed and difficult to pass from a health perspective in certain circumstances.

But gg has a fair bit of tongue in cheek, hasn't he!?
 
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Wow are you trolling GG?
All Abbott has demonstrated again what an incompetent leader he would make. You can go and make wide sweeping generalizations that all recipients of the dole are bludgers but a good proportion of them would like the opportunity to gain the skills to enter the workforce. That's where the system lets them down, it is difficult to enter the workforce as an unskilled worker.
As far as the bludgers are concerned you have your old mate John to thank for that, enticing them to start families by offering a lump sum of money for simply conceiving.
 

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Great in theory but probably not so workable when put into practice:2twocents

After many years working in the field, it wont work

In principle, I very much support the notion that insofar as possible, welfare recipients should "earn" the right to subsidy.

So why have such simple things as 'work for the dole" and the scheme for indiginous workers been dropped??

My experience was that suitable individuals were extremely keen to take up work, and would do so if they were assisted in relocation expenses

Any fool could tell you that there is several thousand $ in expenses to move from western Sydney to Pilbarra...were is that gonna come from?

There is a shortage of TAFE places and apprenticeships for many trades.

If these large companies need qualified workers they should look at training them, there will be no shortage of applicants

I suspect Abbot is just chucking this out there for a headline
 
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Definitely trolling. Definitely NOT policy. Wasn't it just a roundtable discussion with BHP Billiton iron ore chief executive Ian Ashby, Rio Tinto's Pilbara managing director Greg Lilleyman, Woodside general counsel Rob Cole, Fortescue Metals Group director Graeme Rowley, Gindalbie Metals chief executive Garret Dixon and Inpex's Australian head, Seiya Ito?

"Last night a spokeswoman for Mr Abbott confirmed he had made the remarks about the dole to the mining leaders.

The spokeswoman said Mr Abbott had posed a question about the dole for the benefit of the argument and the debate at the meeting.

But, she said, Mr Abbott's comments did not mean the approach was Coalition policy."


Media hype again. Stupid thing for Abbott to say by the way. I remember when he was Employmnet Minister in 2000 he said the same thing in regards to getting people on the dole to go an pick fruit in South Australia. Where there is smoke there is fire? :eek:
 

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The media love to create a story then run with it as the gospel truth. Sigh.
 
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Any fool could tell you that there is several thousand $ in expenses to move from western Sydney to Pilbarra...were is that gonna come from?
That's a big one.

If you've only got at most a few $ hundred in the bank then you simply can't afford to physically relocate even if there is a reasonable prospect of gaining employment by doing so. It works fine if you're 18 with no physical assets tha won't fit in a suitcase and can hitch a ride there. But it's not so practical for a family with children, house etc who can't actually afford to move.

Genuine dole bludgers I have no time for. But there are still parts of this country with fairly high rates of unemployment and that substantially comes down to government mismanagement of the economy over the years. That being so, it seems only fair that goverment should foot the bill for having messed things up.
 
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If you've only got at most a few $ hundred in the bank then you simply can't afford to physically relocate even if there is a reasonable prospect of gaining employment by doing so. It works fine if you're 18 with no physical assets tha won't fit in a suitcase and can hitch a ride there.
Most companies tend to offer a relocation allowance for moves interstate - I have to be honest and say I can't say for certain that applies to unskilled workers as well, buit by and large skilled workers are looked after in that area, especially in high demand jobs.

Outside of mining centres, some regional areas in the Eastern states require unskilled and semi-skilled workers too, and with a lower cost of living and the high cost of providing essential services in the urban fringes of our major cities I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a push at a federal level to promote job opportunities in regional areas.
 

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Great in theory but probably not so workable when put into practice:2twocents

Yes, if he had ever employed someone who was either inclined to loaf on welfare and had to get, or got placed in a job that they didn't want to be in, he would know they are not usually very productive, attentive or loyal, not to mention often a safety and security risk.

I believe the mining assoc's have frowned on the idea cos they need skilled staff.

What he needed to do is come up with is better incentives for people to work in those remote locations, like transport subsidy or rebates cos I know many who travel for long periods and high cost to get into these locations for their shifts. They are not all ferried in and out by their employer.

The induction process can also be a bit of an expense for long term unemployed and difficult to pass from a health perspective in certain circumstances.

But gg has a fair bit of tongue in cheek, hasn't he!?

I agree there are practical obstacles to getting these bludgers off their backsides in to paid employment. Many of them are third generation bludgers from the fruits of the Whitlam era of largesse without responsibility.

Their parents and grandparents have never worked a day in their lives.

Taking the dole off them would only decrease their dependence on illicit and prescribed drugs, alcohol and computer games.

Better to teach them to fish than send them down to the fish and chip shop with a Centrelink payment, only to have it taken off them by their weed dealer.

It won't be easy, but in the end Australia will have less bludgers hiding in the ghettos of Sydney, Melbourne , Adelaide and Brisbane.

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All this talk about bludgers is a joke, as far as I'm concerned among many things that makes this country great is if you wanna bludge and are happy to live on a pitance you can, personally though I think that most unemployed can't get a job because of the fact that there aren't enough jobs around.

What really erks me off is the fact that there are many people here are getting huge tax breaks, pumping borrowed money into non productive assets then have the cheek to bitch about bludgers.

We need pollies with the guts to hit tax reform hard, scrap all the rorts.

Forget about the bludgers, that's just talk to fire up the baby boomers, maybe pick up a vote or two.
 
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Got anything else to add pal, did you read the next sentance or did you stop there ??
While I don't agree with some of the tax rorts, at least they're earning income rather than just bludging off the earnings of others ..... pal!
 

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All this talk about bludgers is a joke, as far as I'm concerned among many things that makes this country great is if you wanna bludge and are happy to live on a pitance you can, personally though I think that most unemployed can't get a job because of the fact that there aren't enough jobs around.

What really erks me off is the fact that there are many people here are getting huge tax breaks, pumping borrowed money into non productive assets then have the cheek to bitch about bludgers.

We need pollies with the guts to hit tax reform hard, scrap all the rorts.

Forget about the bludgers, that's just talk to fire up the baby boomers, maybe pick up a vote or two.

There are heaps of jobs about, and if people didn't have Centrelink bludge money, there would be even more.

I agree that in Australia one can live on a pittance, but I disagree with you in that it should be an earned pittance and not a handout.

Handouts are not spent as wisely as earned money.

Tax is another issue completely, and if you want to start a thread on Tax, do so.

gg
 

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Next thing some turkey will be saying that the recipients of social welfare should be conscripted into the armed forces.
 
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I agree that in Australia one can live on a pittance, but I disagree with you in that it should be an earned pittance and not a handout.

I totally disagree, we live in Australia, a pittance must not be earned, this is the path down the slippery slide, the payoff for not working is living on a pittance, and the pittance is spent anyhow.

This thread is attacking a section of the community, most are disadvantaged.

I pay my fair share in taxes, I have no problems with my taxes going to welfare, I have a problem with investors (property market speculators) claiming more than income on an asset that was purchased at an inflated price, this is part of what is dragging us down as more and more people jump on the bandwagon.
 
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