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The ScoMo Government

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by sptrawler, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. wayneL

    wayneL Rotaredom

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    Dunno, I'm more likely to despair, TBH.
     
  2. SirRumpole

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    Never mind wayne. It won't be long before Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones and Ray Hadley are back on air. :)

    In the meantime, here is some soothing music for you.



    (I didn't listen to it either).
     
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  3. Humid

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  4. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    moXJO menace to society

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    Scomo has focused too much attention on the fires and has been to slow to act on the floods. How dare he.....
    He should be thrown out #cancelculture
     
  6. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    He has lacked leadership and played politics with all the issues, consequently he has been caught out.

    His supporters keep saying how everyone is blaming him............people / media aren't they think he is insincere and playing politics!


    Compare that against the state leaders........haven't heard one complaint regardless of the party.
     
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  7. sptrawler

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    Actually you could add to that, regardless of the Party, or the responsibility.:xyxthumbs
     
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  8. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    When you in the middle of a national emergency and your staff instead of planning a response or action are frantically backgrounding media how the lack of federal response is the NSW state governments fault is damming for Smoko's sincerity.....= 0
     
  9. sptrawler

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    Well it is a State responsibility, and apparently a Premier from an affected State was away on holidays, a shame the the press didn't give that the same airplay. I guess it depends who you are head hunting, as usual.:xyxthumbs
    Actually it is interesting the fire brigades heads are asking not to conduct a royal Commission, so the outcome may be not what everyone expects, who knows? It may well be another shot in the foot, or foot in mouth situation, fortunately Albo showed sense and said very little most unusual for labour, but a breath of fresh air IMO.
    But in the long term when the dust settles, I think common sense will come to the fore and everything will return to normal 24/7b news dribble will see to that.
    The article in the AFR gives food for thought, it will only cost $100,000/ dwelling to go zero carbon, maybe the press will run with that one, it will give people something to get their teeth into.:D
     
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  10. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    The hols taken by the Queensland premier weren't hidden like Somoko there was no politics involved and if there was the Queensland opposition would be going nuts.

    The rumor / conspiracy from the RW for Somko was that he actually went off to open a church somewhere.

    I think the zero carbon thing would actually be much cheaper the technology is there but the real impedance is the amount of money tied up currently in fossil fuels and that influence (think tobacco) will prevent the rapid change required.
     
  11. sptrawler

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    I think it will happen a lot quicker than people think, the Power Companies are desperate to close down coal, it is a very labour/maintenance cost fuel ( coal handling plant, boiler tube/air heater erosion and ash handling is all a pain in the butt) .
    They would love to have the general public pay them to replace it, which is the angle I would be running, if I owned a coal fired station.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-to-speed-up-coal-fired-power-plant-shutdowns

    In W.A in the last 8 years 640 MW of coal capable generation at Kwinana has been shut down and de commissioned and another 640MW of coal will be de commissioned at Muja in the next couple of years, that is a lot of coal generation out of our system.
    From what I have read, the big problem at the moment, is actually upgrading the distribution system, to be able to cope with the reverse flow of renewables.
     
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  12. Smurf1976

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    Indeed.

    Only leaves Muja stage D, Collie and Bluewaters 1 & 2 so far as actual power stations burning coal are concerned in WA then that's it for coal.

    In the eastern states, realistically if we put the politics aside then there's no particular reason to hurry up with coal closures. Rather, the problem is getting replacements, using whatever technology, built before the closures inevitably happen.

    Looking at NSW and Vic, there's 26 coal units currently in operation. Looking at the age profile:

    Under 24 years = none
    24 - 27 years = 4
    32 - 36 years = 12
    39 - 42 years = 4
    47 - 49 years = 6

    Given that such facilities rarely make it much beyond 50 years, and typically experience increasing problems and falling production, reliability and economics beyond ~40 years, well I wouldn't be too worried about them hanging around too long.

    The big problem is building something to replace them with before anything falls in a heap and some of it's not far from that point. At most, there might end up being a case to close 4 out of 26 units early but we're nowhere near the point of sensibly committing to that yet and for the rest the risk is they fall in a heap too soon, indeed there's already some real issues with some of them. ;)
     
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    moXJO menace to society

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    That's every politician ever......
     
  14. SirRumpole

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    That's true, but there comes a time when people get sick of nothing important getting done and pick the other side in the hope that things will change.
     
  15. sptrawler

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    Didnt happen last time.
    So it shows people still think about the issues.
     
  16. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    Yeah nah the states haven't played the political game at all just Morrison, watching the state leaders and public servants say through gritted teeth how wonderful the federal government has been must have been torture for them.

    Classic was the announcement of the ADF reserve call out without talking to the NSW state and then blaming the state for the miscommunication all the time the embedded federal government public servants (in NSW) had no idea either.
     
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  17. SirRumpole

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    No, they think about themselves and their privileges.
     
  18. Logique

    Logique Investor

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    Can't imagine a Hawke or Howard getting themselves into such a muddle over a crisis. The party needs to examine the PM's office, and who is advising him.

    The PM looked horribly back-footed and reactionary. Can you imagine Arthur Sinodinos allowing John Howard to be so badly ambushed! It should have been managed from before the Morrisons even left the country
     
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  19. sptrawler

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    In Australia everyone gets priviliges, one way or another.
    Be it concessions, franking credit rebates to all levels, or straight hand outs.
    Thats what makes it difficult, for amyone to take the moral high ground, or decide which sector is going to lose.
    Just my opinion
     
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  20. Knobby22

    Knobby22 Mmmmmm 2nd breakfast

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    But also I can't imagine Hawke or Howard needing their hand held to such an extent.
     
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