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The far left and right

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by wayneL, May 27, 2018.

  1. wayneL

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    What is far right, what is alt right?

    How far right is too far?

    What is far left, what is antifa?

    How far left is too far?
     
  2. SirRumpole

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    Both extremes have no respect for democracy or individual rights, they just want their own way and stuff everyone else.

    I's say someone like Duterte is an example of too far right, and Xi Jinping too far left.

    Both concentrate power around themselves and hang on to it relentlessly.
     
  3. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    You only have to reflect on the policies of the Labor Party 60 years ago to see how the goal posts have shifted in regards to acceptable social behaviour and the consequent labelling.
     
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    Ian Mikardo, the son of Moshe (Morris) Mikardo, a tailor, and his wife, Bluma, was born on 9th July 1908. Both his parents came to Britain in the massive exodus from Russia during the Jewish Pogroms that were blamed on Tsar Nicholas II in 1903. (1)
    http://spartacus-educational.com/TUmikardo.htm

    The above covers the life of a prominent LEFTIST in the UK's Labour Party. Was he too far Left, one too many Jews around in racist times or maybe just too bloody-minded?
     
  5. moXJO

    moXJO menace to society

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    Far right, far left = Power hungry. Hate and want to silence the other side. Want to stop the evil the other side will unleash on society. And will justify using evil to do it.

    Too far right, or left - is when you can find no value in conversations with the other side. Dialogue between both sides stops the current spiral of left, or right echo chambers.
     
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    This is the way I understand it, happy for someone to correct me. I think people vary slightly in their understanding. For example, many countries have different views on what they think far left and far right is.

    Far right is basically seen as one group of people being superior over the other and that superior group should be in control. Think Hitler and the Nazis from what they tell us (although I think some of what is said about them could have been propaganda by Britain, Hollywood and USA, but we will never know because as they say history is written by the victors) or the KKK. In other words extremely nationalistic or patriotic.

    Far left are the ones who oppose capitalism and liberal democracy in all its forms and value equality of outcome for everyone such as Marxism/Leninism, the Soviet Union or Maoism and socialism in Venezuela. Everything needs to be government controlled including assets and businesses in order to achieve equality of outcome. History has shown they do achieve equality in that they make everyone equally poor, except for the politicians. From history they usually end up with a dictatorship and forced labour like gulags.

    ANTIFA are a misinformed uneducated and entitled group of millennials whom have never worked a day in their life, promoting communist ideals and attack "normies" thinking that capitalists are fascists.
     
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    There is a big difference to Paul Gottfried's Alternative Right and the Facist Ultra Right
     
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    Is there also an ultra super mega right as well? And then with their powers combined they form Super duper mega ultron right?
     
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    Don't know, I will just have to confine my objective opinions to things I know about.
     
  11. Value Collector

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    With a bit of luck, we can tune out the extremists on both sides and land some where in the middle.

    Looking from the middle though, those described as "right" tend to be speaking more nonsense that those on the left, so I tend to lean left, not saying that the extreme left doesn't have crazies to.
     
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    Yes I agree, generally.

    However, the arrest of Tommy Robinson, even though he seems like a right wing extremist, was unjustified and a violation of free speech. I don't necessarily defend all that he says, but he has a right to say it.
     
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    I don't know all the details, But I think that it more about the location of his protest, eg inside a court house, He has a right to free speech as much as anyone, but disturbing a courthouse is not really exercising free speech, perhaps he should have kept his protest outside.

    Prior to this he had apparently been sentenced to 3 months in jail (suspended sentence), for contempt of court at the time the judge said this.
     
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    I really don't think Tommy is a right wing extremist at all and most certainly not racist. Probably center right, but he quit the EDL because he couldn't stop the infiltration of extreme elements.
     
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    He was not inside the courthouse.

    The original arrest a year ago was because he was on the steps to the courthouse and filming. (But it's okay for msm to do this.... Double standard hey?)

    On Friday, because he was still on suspended sentence, he made double sure where he was allowed to film. He was out on the street.

    Any details of the trial were from already public news reports, so not prejudicial in any way. He was not inviting violence or disturbing the peace, even the media gag had not officially taken effect till after his arrest.

    You can watch the whole live steam, including his arrest, on youtube.
     
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    I am not much interested to go and research all the details, I do think that contempt of court is a serious thing though, and especially after he had already been found guilty on another occasion I think he should have used common sense and stayed at home, what was he trying to achieve?

    the courts have a serious job to do, and interfering with that is not good.
     
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    You seemed to have missed the point that he wasn't in fact interfering at all.

    This is why there are demonstrations all over the world regarding this.

    Before commenting, you should really acquaint yourself with the facts VC, so you can make valid points, not add to the convenient Apocrypha.
     
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    Except like wayneL said, he didn't do any of those things. You can watch the whole video here.

     
  19. CanOz

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    Actually by just drawing excessive attention to the case there could be difficulty in finding unbiased jurors, if it were a trial by jury. Is that contemptible? Otherwise I can't understand why anyone would be arrested for filming such an event.
     
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    The possibility of prejudicing juries, or inciting linch mob reactions to the defendants, are two concerns that stand in the way of me being able to express support for TR's situation. My disapproval is not with TR's message, but with his chosen delivery method.
     
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