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Plenty of threads here vilifying religion so it's time for a positive one. If you want to post bigotry or conspiracist nonsense please go elsewhere. Just the good here.

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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/03/23/the_richest_man_in_town/?page=1

(Tom White) gave away his first chunk of money after World War II,
when an Army buddy needed some cash. White gave him $200. Since then, he estimates he has given away $75 million, pretty much all of his assets. He has supported more than 100 causes over the years, but his biggest gift by far has gone to Partners in Health, the program made famous last year with the publication of Tracy Kidder's book "Mountains Beyond Mountains." The book details the work done in Haiti and other Third World countries by Dr. Paul Farmer, a Harvard professor and infectious-disease specialist whose work on AIDS and tuberculosis for the world's poorest has been hailed as groundbreaking.

Ask him why, and White, who attends Mass daily, replies: "I'm motivated a lot by what Jesus wants me to do, or what I think he wants me to do. And I think he wants me to help make the world a better place."
 
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Jean Vanier, who practices his beliefs about the value of all humans as special because they carry the image of God.

For nearly four decades, Jean Vanier has travelled the world fashioning a network of homes where people with developmental disabilities, volunteers and a sprinkling of staff live together in community. Those we lock away and think worthless, he says, have the power to teach and even to heal us. We are all “broken” in some way, he believes. (…) “When you start living with people with disabilities”, he says, “you begin to discover a whole lot of things about yourself.” He learned that to “be human is to be bonded together, each with our own weaknesses and strengths, because we need each other.” (…) Tall and stooped, Vanier radiates the strength of a man who has fought his own inner battles and surfaced with peace. (Maclean’s/September 4, 2000, p.33)

http://www.larche.org/jean-vanier-founder-of-l-arche.en-gb.23.13.content.htm

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Hopefully there will be contributions from people of other religions but I'll be posting inspiring people in the Christian tradition as that's my heritage.
 

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Good luck MS&T! :)

I remember how well 'Bible Quote of the Day' went...eeeeek.

I DO agree, there is much beauty in some of what religion preaches.

Hope this unfolds reasonably...
 
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its hard to see beauty in religion. i see it in humanity. beautiful acts of kindness inspired by men and women, with a religion taking the credit....

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a 'confusion of beauty one may say?


Tenets of the Historical Jesus.

1: Anti-Monetarism / Anti-Capitalism

He did not believe in any form of monetarism (do not carry money.... do not receive money, only food); he was a homeless (he had nowhere to lay his head), unemployed ( he called upon those with him to give up their professions), anti-propertyist who propagated not monetarism but proto-Communism (Fr. Communare: to share. Communism: to share all property in common)
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‘Carry neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, neither two robes, neither shoes, nor yet a staff. Mt 10’

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.- Matthew 19:24


And the question needs to raised as to how a person who carries no money could pay taxes; one of the alleged reasons for his arrest.


Then the whole assembly rose and led him off to Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, “We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be a king.” (Luke 23:1-4)

Do not worship mammon (Aramaic: Material possessions / clothing / money). Consider Solomon in all his glory?

Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
- Matthew 6:19

2: No Swearing of Oaths.

..and of course without the swearing of oaths and contracts, Capitalism would cease to exist, and ‘I pledge allegiance to the flag…’ would be a violation of the words and edicts of Jesus, as would American Presidents swearing on stacks of Bibles, and Christians swearing oaths in courts or military oaths to fight the enemies of Capitalism.

But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
earth.- Matthew 5:34-35



3: He cried out against the rich and the religious hypocrites.

Woe to you brood of vipers… hypocrites…serpents.. in the name of the prophets you would have stoned the prophets, etc., etc.
Today it is the Christian state terrorists who have a long history of torturing and murdering Communists, particularly in the post war history of Latin America with their Palace revolutions and miltary coups.


4: He did not sell salvation for Capitalist coin.

He did not ask for tithes or offerings; he fed the poor and freely cared for the sick.

5: He told the rich to devote their wealth to the poor.

Sell all that you have and give to the poor... Luke 12:33

6: No Priesthood.

He was clearly ‘against' the priesthood of his age, and indeed against any form of priesthood.


‘Be not called Rabbi (teacher)… and call no man your father upon the earth…neither be called masters……and whoever exalts himself shall be abased. (Mt.38)’

7: Anti-Capitalist Martyrdom and Rebellion

This is the true meaning of 'take up your cross;' this was a common punishment for anti-Roman terrorists.

He was tortured and executed for his rebellion against the religious establishment, at their request, and allegedly as a political criminal; he did not support the corrupt government and the Solomonic priesthood (the Sadducees).

8: Non-Idolatry

He was not an idolater, he never referred to himself as the Creator; he may have invoked the Messianic prophecies but he clearly was not so arrogant as to consider himself to be the Creator; indeed he cried out to the Creator at times and referred constantly to the Creator in the Third person. Christians today worship him as an object of idolatry and propagate the Captialist anti-thesis of his teachings.

9: No Public Praying. No Praying in Temples.

He told his followers, 'Do not pray in public in the streets and the Temples.'


And when you pray, you must not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the temples and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when thou pray, enter into your room, and when you have shut the door, pray in secret; and your God which hears in secret shall answer you. And when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. (Mt. 6)

In other words, a true Christ-like person would never pray in public or in a church, nor would they construct any form of Temple.

10: The revolutionary militant (terrorist) Jesus: Armed Revolution.

"Do not suppose that I come to bring peace to the earth: I
did not come to bring peace but a sword..........I have come to cast fire onto the earth; would that it be already kindled"


Consider that at one point he asks his followers to sell their robes if they have to and buy swords. There are two interpretations of the answer, one being 'we have two swords,' and another being 'we have two swords each.' The Judean siccari (Swordsmen or 'terrorists’ to the Romans) commonly carried two swords, as opposed to the sword and shield of the Romans.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63676
 
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Dave Andrews intentionally lives in community with the disenfranchised, understanding and helping their situation. He has founded or works with organisations that exemplify this tradition.

Dave, his wife Ange, and their family, have lived and worked in intentional communities with marginalised groups of people in Australia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Nepal for more than thirty years. He now lives in a large joint household with his wife, children, grandchildren and others in an inner city community in Brisbane, Australia.
Dave is particularly interested in radical spirituality, incarnational community and the dynamics of personal and social transformation. He is author of many books and articles, including 'Christi-Anarchy', 'Not Religion, But Love', 'Building A Better World' and the forthcoming ‘Compassionate Community Work’ manual exploring the principles and practices of Christ-like community work.

Dave and Ange and their friends started a residential community called Aashiana out of which grew Sahara, Sharan and Sahasee – three well-known Christian community organisations working with slum dwellers, sex workers, drug addicts, and people with HIV/AIDS in India. They are currently a part of the Waiters Union, an inner city Christian community network working with Aborigines, refugees and people with disabilities in Australia. Out of the Waiters Union has grown the Community Initiatives Resource Association, auspicing local experimental community activities, and the Community Praxis Coop, providing holistic community work training.
http://www.daveandrews.com.au/index.htm
 
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Plenty of threads here vilifying religion so it's time for a positive one. If you want to post bigotry or conspiracist nonsense please go elsewhere. Just the good here.

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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/03/23/the_richest_man_in_town/?page=1

I'm sorry, you don't set the parameters of debate on a discussion forum. There is nothing virtuous in posting only the good points of religion. Anyone with an objective bone in their body would recognize both positive and negative aspects of religion. I'm sure you can find plenty of websites that indulge the backslapping needs of god botherers.
 
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I think the attitude of participants speaks volumes.

Anyway....

Science and religion are often viewed as pitted against each other. This is an unfortunate viewpoint which is exacerbated by debates between biblical literalists and their detractors. The reality is there is a rich history of co-operation and mutual growth which is overlooked by the polemicists on both sides.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1987/PSCF9-87Lindberg.html#Beyond

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-science/

Was He a Chartist or a Fundamentalist?

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well, comeon, show us some religious beauty that man hasnt done himself...



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Every post i have ever seen of yours is complete garbage.

Man is Man, religous or not. Being religous doesn't elevate you from being a Man to being something greater than Man that has a different human nature.

Everyone is made the same, religous or not. Great people can do great things, no matter what their religion.

You think that you know everything and that you are better than everyone else, im sure you think you have it all worked out.

You are simply ignorant and shallow minded.
 

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In the interest of supporting the theme of this thread I've been trying to think of something positive or beautiful to do with religion.

Can't say it's been easy but I do have a friend who is devoutly religious.
Somehow we've managed to remain friends over many years, probably because we agree not to discuss religion.

Every Christmas she looks around her neighbourhood, workplace etc for anyone who might not have someone with whom to spend Christmas Day and invites these people to join her and her family. There are often a quite motley collection of people but she makes them all feel welcome and wanted.

So I reckon that's a plus for religion.

And then there's the work the Salvos do. They get down in the gutters if they have to and make no judgements.
 

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its hard to see beauty in religion. i see it in humanity. beautiful acts of kindness inspired by men and women, with a religion taking the credit....
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Well then, we may as well change the name of the "Religion gone crazy" thread to "Humanity gone crazy", because it is humans that have gone crazy and religion is getting the blame for it...
 
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