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Postmodernism, Marxism & PC, modern ideological poison

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by wayneL, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. wayneL

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    Our friend J B Peterson 'splains

     
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    So it's for thugs?
     
  3. SirRumpole

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    Sounds like gibberish to me.
     
  4. wayneL

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    That's not surprising Horace:rolleyes:
     
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    I can provide a plagiarised list of purveyors. I bet you can't put a face to one or two members::D

    • Cultivating a needlessly hysterical sense of outrage at perceived injustice
    • Being too dogmatic, purist and black-and-white in their views; refusing to acknowledge the nuanced complexity of human behavior; painting society and large groups of people with an extremely wide brush
    • Enforcing a confrontational and incendiary style of discussion; eagerness to label others as oppressors; holding ordinary people (including total strangers) personally responsible for social ills and atrocities (both current and historical)
    • Demanding that others change their attitudes and behavior without a willingness to engage in respectful dialogue; refusal to see respect and tolerance as a two-way street
    • Loudly broadcasting their own views while attempting to deprive their opponents of a platform
    • Smugly self-aggrandizing their own slacktivism
    • Equating pious humorlessness with moral rectitude
     
  6. SirRumpole

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    Can you give a precis of the movement in plain English ?
     
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    So there was a suggestion about having a thoughtful discussion on Post Modernism to tease out some of the directions our society could be heading. Fair enough.

    First problem (IMO) is the heading of this thread. In what thoughtful discussion does the heading jump to a six word conclusion ? Clearly on ASF.

    Second problem is actually setting out some understanding of what Post Modernism is supposed to mean. Enter Tisme our resident alt Righter and we get expanded tirade of the 6 word summation.
    Discussion ? Conversation ? Clearly in the world of ASF that is totally unnecessary when the font of all knowledge sprouts his predictable bile.

    If anyone is actually interested in the subject of Post Modernism a useful reasonably clear description can be found here. https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-postmodernism-20791

    It's largely about art, culture architecture and critiques of society. Good luck if you understand it. It is a intense intellectual analysis that occupies many people calculating the number of angels on the head of pin.

    The part that gets people like Tisme and Wayne hot and bothered is the concept that historical world views might be seen in a different light. The article I referenced made this particular point.

    Postmodern cultural identity
    Postmodernism can also be a critical project, revealing the cultural constructions we designate as truth and opening up a variety of repressed other histories of modernity. Such as those of women, homosexuals and the colonised.


    The modernist canon itself is revealed as patriarchal and racist, dominated by white heterosexual men. As a result, one of the most common themes addressed within postmodernism relates to cultural identity.


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    Believe Anything by Barbara Kruger at Hirshhorn, Washington, DC. Steve Rhodes

    American conceptual artist Barbara Kruger’s statement that she is “concerned with who speaks and who is silent: with what is seen and what is not” encapsulates this broad critical project
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    Anyway go for it folks. If you really feel a need to for a deeper understanding of Postmodernism you can check out some of the following summaries. Mind you I thought the first one was the most accessible.

    Cheers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy
     
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    Very well said Basilio, had been ruminating for a reply but could not have done it better.

    A very very complex subject (a whole way of seeing) and beyond real explanation outside a tertiary classroom. Of course the late attempt at de/reconstruction is to try to inhibit creative free thinking.

    Of course we have moved on infact, not aware of the terminology yet but its aim is to take complete control and stifle any forms of organized clear thinking or individuality.
     
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    Stop your hypocritical whining about the title bas and address the political ramifications referred to.

    You too plod, stop diverting off the issue.
     
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    So in short you have no idea what post-modernism is, preferring to attack people with established traditional values? Who's a sooky boy then ....:rolleyes:
     
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    From Wiki -

    Jordan Peterson

    I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.

    I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period


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    https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/jordan-peterson.33786/
     
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    Rubbish you have no idea at all and over the coming months I'll set about to educate and show the path.

    The word "postmodern" has been skewed. A bit like the word "surreal" for "unreal" a distortion occurring about 10 years back. Surreal was a painting and performance style/method from the 1930's and a forunner in fact to the postmodern.
     
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    Shirley you must be joking!! This isn't a discussion of post modernism. That's totally clear from the title and your introduction.
    It's your circus Tisme. Find your own monkeys. All I wanted to offer was an opportunity for any other participants to get some sort of handle on the topic.

    Best of luck folks !
     
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    I agree Bas, a thread to ignore and for the ignorant suckers to pump on.
     
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    https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-postmodernism-20791

    So it's just old fashioned conservatism then ?
     
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    I think that's more appropriation than fact. The Whitlam era was probably more the time when postmodernism took hold for a brief time when they created pastiches of the pre WW2 modernist era.

    Surrealism and Dada were both rooted in the post brutal WW1 when people began to consider/protest their own individuality and human stains had been suppressed by a betraying structured rationality.

    While postmodernism was supposed to be a nascent reaction to structured modernism, apart from a 1970's blip, I think the same concepts that modernism is predicated on persist: infusion of science into lifestyle, reactionary individualism, etc, but the ever present need to drift into alternative hierarchies and mob mentality.

    The reason it has become a complex definition is because nascence has become confused with nescience, where social constructs have attached themselves.

    So these days modernism is seen as a rational, scientific, logical, western, simplistic, analytical, moral and ethical, and uniqueness while post modern is interpretted as abstract, industrial, irrational, anarchistic, multicultural, denial of patent truths, anti western, pop culture mythology, individual,interpretative, relative moral and ethical codes, suggestive.
     
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    That is a very fair comparison tisyou. Thank you :cool:
     
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    That is so archaic modernist of you :D

    We're not all idiots you know and this is a discussion forum.;)
     
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    modernism was a marxist reaction to the poppycock bourgeois middle class. So not so much old fashioned, but certainly a 20th century attitude shared by mainstream political parties and polulace here in Oz, until the divisive wrecking ball disguised as progressiveness came though western culture 10 years ago.
     
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    Thanks waynel,

    I've been following Jordan B. Peterson for 18 mo. now on youtube and have finished his Maps of Meaning.

    His 12 rules book is essential reading for all young men and women.

    Postmodernism has turned our universities in to day-care centres.

    I expect him next to put the final nail in to the coffin of Marxism/Postmodernism by starting an online university which will be affordable, articulate, sensible and educational, without any courses containing the word "Studies" soon.

    The present universities will be consigned to history.

    gg
     
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