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Joe,

Thanks for your response.

I do have a query in regards to using shared computers, at a library or educational institution, for instance.

It could look like multinikcing if 2 or more ASF posters used computers at the same library. I can't imagine the chances are great but it is possible.

Question 1:
Is there grounds for appeal where a mistake could have occurred in identifying a multinicker?

Question 2:
Also, do you have a policy of checking the alleged multinick posters to see they are in fact posting on the same shares? I guess that would be a double check.

With regards to Question 1:

Mistakes will occasionally be made and we do listen to people and consider their case if they feel they have been suspended unjustly.

Question 2:

We now have fairly advanced tools to detect when multiple accounts are being used by one individual. We monitor the posting behaviour and patterns of both usernames to determine whether or not they are guilty of misleading/fradulent behaviour and make our decisions based on that, after very careful consideration.
 

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It's horses for courses.

From a mod's point of view a person with multiple accounts is generally very easy to spot (my personal favourite is when they have the most elaborate conversations... with themselves).

Outside of the most extreme circumstances we will generally contact the individual involved and work toward resolving the situation. 99% of people with multiple accounts do so innocently. They'll register at ASF and come back weeks or months later and register again. In these circumstances we'll ask the individual which they'd prefer to keep and remind them of the lost password feature.

We're not tyrants, but we do come down very heavily on those that choose to break the rules to try to gain advantage. As Joe said, we take the integrity of ASF very seriously and expect our members to help us maintain it.
 
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Hey guys,

Thanks for your replies.

I wonder if other share forums share this reasonable approach?


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For posters on other share forums - you may be aware that on one of these forums, moderators recently suspended posters incorrectly.

The technology for catching multinickers apparently being faulty.

Some of those suspended have been reinstated but not others (although they were supposedly the same poster)!

These days many people gain information re trading from the internet, the new form of media.

If people are incorrectly suspended it seems to me that one could argue that this is a form of market manipulation. Some views are being silenced - accidently or on purpose.

I wonder what ASIC would think of that?
 

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If people are incorrectly suspended it seems to me that one could argue that this is a form of market manipulation. Some views are being silenced - accidently or on purpose.

I wonder what ASIC would think of that?
I think this is a fairly silly argument.

I think the situation you describe would be analogous to ASIC getting involved if a newspaper hired one journalist over another or if a tipsheet covered one stock but not another.

ASF is a great place for people to share and challenge ideas, but everyone's account remains active at Joe's pleasure. It does sound harsh, but it's his house and he can let whoever he would like in.

Fortunately Joe is very level headed and fair and I think punters recognise this which is why people continue to flock to ASF.
 
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For posters on other share forums - you may be aware that on one of these forums, moderators recently suspended posters incorrectly.

The technology for catching multinickers apparently being faulty.

Some of those suspended have been reinstated but not others (although they were supposedly the same poster)!

These days many people gain information re trading from the internet, the new form of media.

If people are incorrectly suspended it seems to me that one could argue that this is a form of market manipulation. Some views are being silenced - accidently or on purpose.

I wonder what ASIC would think of that?
I don't think "some views" are being silenced on purpose in this forum. Its open and accountable. Go to Hotcopper, go to Crazy Jim's where you'll have to pay a high fee per annum, but the chances are you'll coming running back to Australia's best share forum. The beauty of it is that its free.
The moderators here do a great job.
 

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What stops somebody just opening up a new email account and a new ASF membership?

Nothing. But we know as soon as they do. ;)

Cant go into any detail but the tools we now use to detect multiple accounts are quite sophisticated and someone would have to go to a lot of trouble to avoid detection.
 
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Hi Greggy

I was referring to all share trading forums and not just ASF.

The point I was trying to make is that a particular share forum could suspend members due to faulty technology and/or incompetent mods. Further that there might be no redress to an eroneous suspension.

I am relatively new to this forum so I don't know that much about it, to be honest. I have heard from a couple of longer-term members that it is a forum which promotes high level posting. In fact, I think Crazy Jim Smith, spoke well of this forum some time ago. That is how I found out about it.

Regarding Crazy Jim Smith's forum.
I did pay $120 for membership to CJS forum. I think it is good value, actually.
May be particularly suited to the less experienced traders.

In my view, there are some good posters on HotCopper if you know who they are. I also, suspect people are looking at other forums due to some of the drawbacks of HotCopper.



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Nothing. But we know as soon as they do. ;)

Cant go into any detail but the tools we now use to detect multiple accounts are quite sophisticated and someone would have to go to a lot of trouble to avoid detection.

I think you should know that my sister has an ASF account and she moved back home with us because she is doing and extension to her house... She's the one who referred me but I don't think she has logged on for a long time... chances are that the system will use IP addresses to kick people out... I'm just saying don't kick me out just because she uses my computer now...
 

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I think you should know that my sister has an ASF account and she moved back home with us because she is doing and extension to her house... She's the one who referred me but I don't think she has logged on for a long time... chances are that the system will use IP addresses to kick people out... I'm just saying don't kick me out just because she uses my computer now...

We don't ban people automatically unless there is obvious fradulent behaviour associated with the accounts. We accept that very occasionally two separate individuals with separate accounts will access ASF from the same internet connection. Some people are placed on a watchlist, others are questioned about it. We are very careful abut how we handle these situations and try and be as fair and as even handed as possible.
 

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Thought this thread was worth reviving just to warn people of the folly of creating multiple accounts at ASF.

If we are convinced that one person has created two separate accounts on ASF we will ban both accounts immediately and that person will never again be allowed to post on ASF.

We have multiple means of determining multinicks and we take our one person one account policy very seriously. If you do it, you will get caught.

If you have more than one person in your home using ASF with different user names I would contact me ASAP via PM and let me know about it.
 

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Yes multiple nicks can be confusing and frustrating, especially when the same person agrees with themselves.

Keeping my eyes peeled for suspicious activities :)
 
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Joe, is it possible to have an account that doesn't allow posting at all?

Reason I ask is, I want to get parents to look at some of the threads without having to reset all the unread threads that I've not looked at.
 

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Joe, is it possible to have an account that doesn't allow posting at all?

Reason I ask is, I want to get parents to look at some of the threads without having to reset all the unread threads that I've not looked at.

Not really.

If your parents would like a separate account I would just set one up for them (or get them to set one up) and just tell them not to post if all they would like to do is read some of the threads.
 
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Hi just wondering if the chat rooms are monitored for multi names too as we got some clown with at least 3 different names ramping rubbish and disrupting things on a daily basis .......
 

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Hi just wondering if the chat rooms are monitored for multi names too as we got some clown with at least 3 different names ramping rubbish and disrupting things on a daily basis .......

We monitor all users for muti nicks. Please check your PM's.
 
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In the live chat rooms I love the "ignore" feature - but importantly I want to "hide" my posts from some leeches there that can't seem to contribute to the room. Is there anyway you can update the live chat to have a feature like the ignore but in reverse??? Like a "hide my posts" that you can pick and choose who its set for.

Thanks.
 
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