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My Health Record: In or Out?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by basilio, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. basilio

    basilio

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    Most people by now would have heard of the "latest, greatest" initiative which combines all of our medical records onto one electronic file which can be accessed by any medical professional in Australia.

    Currently everyones file is on this record by default (did you know that ?). If one doesn't want to have all of their medical history on a single file available to any medical professional they have to actively opt out.

    Within 3 months..
    Thoughts on this idea ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...rd-privacy-cybersecurity-and-the-hacking-risk
     
  2. greggles

    greggles I'll be back!

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    I'm opting out.

    Those who would also like to opt out can do so here: https://www.myhealthrecord.gov.au/for-you-your-family/opt-out-my-health-record

    There is too much government and corporate gathering and sharing of people's personal information. Don't encourage it by allowing them to share yours.

    There's one very good reason why you always have to opt out rather than opt in. Apathy. Information is power and those in positions of power know this.
     
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  3. HelloU

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    I am in.....
    I kinda like the idea of when I am lying in casualty the doctor can see what my history is.....might be the vital info they need to save my life.............
     
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  4. basilio

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    I initially thought the idea made a lot of sense. Pulling together all your medical history. Making sure important facts wern't overlooked when treating a current illness.

    But this is made in the belief that :
    1) The Medical record is made in the interests of the patient...
    2) The protection of the data is particularly robust to ensure it doesn't get used or leaked inappropriately
    After reading that article this is not the case.

    Why not ?
     
  5. SirRumpole

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    Because the information is simply too valuable to commercial interests from advertisers to insurance companies that this government relies on for donations so they are not going to make it too hard for those corporations to get the data.

    I agree that if administered properly the system would be beneficial, but I don't trust the government to ensure that the data is safe, and I doubt that it's technically possible to do this anyway.
     
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  6. HelloU

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    the exact same reason I refuse to do tax returns....imagine what would happen if that data was sold by the government......seriously people.......are peeps scared that they might have to actually contribute to the funding required for their own health problems, or or they afraid of the chaos when the russians find out about your ingrown toe-nail.

    I already get viagra emails so clearly my data was already hacked...........
     
  7. PZ99

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    Just one thing. If your previous employers' doctor deemed you unfit for work and you lost that job your next employer will know about it after your obligatory health check prior to starting your new job. There's a reason why employers ask about your compo history and that's because you're a potential liability.

    So I opted out at the first chance I had.

    PS> I don't get these viagra emails. Is that because I'm a Panthers supporter?
     
  8. HelloU

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    Sorta interpret that as someone is not fit to do a particular job but applies to that job anyway and hides the unfit declaration from the new boss??
    Whatever, there will always be individual peeps with a good reason to opt out of this....my broader point is that I can see a future where peeps who expect the taxpayer to fully or partly fund their health costs then they need to make it easy and efficient for that to happen...or they will get told to bugger off........so the lives can be saved for the peeps who have made it easy to see their medical history so easy to get the diagnosis correct (and limit medical fraud). Sorta like you do not have to immunize ur kids but if you choose not to then do not expect to participate in tax payer funded childcare - fund your own childcare where you are not increasing the risk and costs for others.

    I think for those who do not go to the doctor/hospital - then there is nothing to record anyway. For those that already go to the doctor/hospital - what do you think happens to all those forms that have your medicare number on them? Do you know that it is your medical information...but have you ever asked for a copy of it?
     
  9. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    Another John Howard of the future will sell the database for sure and your insurance companies, super fund managers, etc will be first in queue to buy that info and deny payouts.
     
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  10. SirRumpole

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    That's certainly my concern.

    Until they introduce harsh penalties including long gaol sentences for misuse of this information its not worth the risk, and if it's hacked by foreigners nothing can be done anyway.
     
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    My concern is that this information already exists. By not opting out you are only agreeing to that premise. The min boggles at the potential value of this information.
     
  12. basilio

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    It is fundamentally wrong isn't it ? I can see the huge value of a consolidated medical history. The fact/reality that the government will only consider it if it is used by various commercial organisations is just wrong.
    It is not a question of will the commercial organisations do this is. They will.

    It happened in England and it was established by the same people.

    My Health Record 'identical' to failed UK scheme, privacy expert says
    Care.data was cancelled because drug and insurance companies were able to buy patient data

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    The similarities between My Health Record and the UK scheme are ‘extraordinary’, privacy expert says. Photograph: Dan Himbrechts/AAP

    Australia’s impending My Health Record system is “identical” to a failed system in England that was cancelled after it was found to be selling patient data to drug and insurance companies, a British privacy expert has said.
    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...tical-to-failed-uk-scheme-privacy-expert-says
     
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  13. Country Lad

    Country Lad Off into the sunset

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    This is my only concern, I am no too worried by the other negatives discussed here for various reasons. However, the health funds already want to get their hands on the data

    NIB chief executive Mark Fitzgibbon is hoping the private health insurance fund can get permission from its 1.5 million customers to access their digital health record, despite mounting privacy and security concerns.

    In an interview with Fairfax Media, Mr Fitzgibbon said Australians opting out of the federal government’s digital My Health Record system were preventing health providers from accessing vital information that could be helpful in a medical emergency.


    The only reason the funds would want the data is to use the information if possible to reduce/reject claims from members.
     
  14. HelloU

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    are u talking about refusing pre-existing conditions here for new members? Cos funds already have the info for existing members for any claims they make.
     
  15. HelloU

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    OT
    when peeps apply for car insurance do they say what crashes they have had, or say what existing hail damage there is etc..................
     
  16. bellenuit

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    There was an interesting article from Peter van Olsen (I think) in either the Fin Review or The Australian a few days ago. After reading the article, I changed mind on allowing my heath data to be retained on this central system.

    Although he acknowledged that in principle it is a good idea to have your data available to all health practitioners when needed (emergencies etc.) that will only be good if the data is good. Apparently a group of GPs has already expressed doubts as to the accuracy of the data, as in many cases they are the people who input the information and are very much aware of the inadequacies of what is reported. Their conclusion was that inaccurate data could be far more dangerous than no data.

    I would be willing to take the risks of data security breach if it meant better medical service, but this new database does not offer that by many reports.
     
  17. SirRumpole

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    I think you mean this guy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_van_Onselen
     
  18. bellenuit

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    Yes, that's the guy. Sorry about the spelling. But my "(I think)" was actually not in relation to how his name was spelt, but whether he was actually the author of the article.
     
  19. Smurf1976

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    So if I opt out now, is there anything to prevent opting in sometime in the future if I change my mind?

    In principle I see value in the concept but the way this government works, it’ll end up with quite a few people having the data for commercial rather than medical reasons and that’s not on so far as I’m concerned.
     
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