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*IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter

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  1. reichstag911

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    The US war with Iran has already begun.
    by Scott Ritter

    Sunday 19 June 2005.

    Americans, along with the rest of the world, are starting to wake up to the uncomfortable fact that President George Bush not only lied to them about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (the ostensible excuse for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of that country by US forces), but also about the very process that led to war.

    On 16 October 2002, President Bush told the American people that "I have not ordered the use of force. I hope that the use of force will not become necessary."

    We know now that this statement was itself a lie, that the president, by late August 2002, had, in fact, signed off on the 'execute' orders authorising the US military to begin active military operations inside Iraq, and that these orders were being implemented as early as September 2002, when the US Air Force, assisted by the British Royal Air Force, began expanding its bombardment of targets inside and outside the so-called no-fly zone in Iraq.

    These operations were designed to degrade Iraqi air defence and command and control capabilities. They also paved the way for the insertion of US Special Operations units, who were conducting strategic reconnaissance, and later direct action, operations against specific targets inside Iraq, prior to the 19 March 2003 commencement of hostilities.

    President Bush had signed a covert finding in late spring 2002, which authorised the CIA and US Special Operations forces to dispatch clandestine units into Iraq for the purpose of removing Saddam Hussein from power.

    The fact is that the Iraq war had begun by the beginning of summer 2002, if not earlier.

    This timeline of events has ramifications that go beyond historical trivia or political investigation into the events of the past.

    It represents a record of precedent on the part of the Bush administration which must be acknowledged when considering the ongoing events regarding US-Iran relations. As was the case with Iraq pre-March 2003, the Bush administration today speaks of "diplomacy" and a desire for a "peaceful" resolution to the Iranian question.

    But the facts speak of another agenda, that of war and the forceful removal of the theocratic regime, currently wielding the reigns of power in Tehran.

    As with Iraq, the president has paved the way for the conditioning of the American public and an all-too-compliant media to accept at face value the merits of a regime change policy regarding Iran, linking the regime of the Mullah's to an "axis of evil" (together with the newly "liberated" Iraq and North Korea), and speaking of the absolute requirement for the spread of "democracy" to the Iranian people.

    "Liberation" and the spread of "democracy" have become none-too-subtle code words within the neo-conservative cabal that formulates and executes American foreign policy today for militarism and war.

    By the intensity of the "liberation/democracy" rhetoric alone, Americans should be put on notice that Iran is well-fixed in the cross-hairs as the next target for the illegal policy of regime change being implemented by the Bush administration.

    But Americans, and indeed much of the rest of the world, continue to be lulled into a false sense of complacency by the fact that overt conventional military operations have not yet commenced between the United States and Iran.

    As such, many hold out the false hope that an extension of the current insanity in Iraq can be postponed or prevented in the case of Iran. But this is a fool's dream.

    The violation of a sovereign nation's airspace is an act of war in and of itself. But the war with Iran has gone far beyond the intelligence gathering phase.

    The reality is that the US war with Iran has already begun. As we speak, American over flights of Iranian soil are taking place, using pilotless drones and other, more sophisticated, capabilities.

    The violation of a sovereign nation's airspace is an act of war in and of itself. But the war with Iran has gone far beyond the intelligence-gathering phase.

    President Bush has taken advantage of the sweeping powers granted to him in the aftermath of 11 September 2001, to wage a global war against terror and to initiate several covert offensive operations inside Iran.

    The most visible of these is the CIA-backed actions recently undertaken by the Mujahadeen el-Khalq, or MEK, an Iranian opposition group, once run by Saddam Hussein's dreaded intelligence services, but now working exclusively for the CIA's Directorate of Operations.

    It is bitter irony that the CIA is using a group still labelled as a terrorist organisation, a group trained in the art of explosive assassination by the same intelligence units of the former regime of Saddam Hussein, who are slaughtering American soldiers in Iraq today, to carry out remote bombings in Iran of the sort that the Bush administration condemns on a daily basis inside Iraq.

    Perhaps the adage of "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist" has finally been embraced by the White House, exposing as utter hypocrisy the entire underlying notions governing the ongoing global war on terror.

    But the CIA-backed campaign of MEK terror bombings in Iran are not the only action ongoing against Iran.

    To the north, in neighbouring Azerbaijan, the US military is preparing a base of operations for a massive military presence that will foretell a major land-based campaign designed to capture Tehran.

    Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld's interest in Azerbaijan may have escaped the blinkered Western media, but Russia and the Caucasus nations understand only too well that the die has been cast regarding Azerbaijan's role in the upcoming war with Iran.

    The ethnic links between the Azeri of northern Iran and Azerbaijan were long exploited by the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and this vehicle for internal manipulation has been seized upon by CIA paramilitary operatives and US Special Operations units who are training with Azerbaijan forces to form special units capable of operating inside Iran for the purpose of intelligence gathering, direct action, and mobilising indigenous opposition to the Mullahs in Tehran.

    But this is only one use the US has planned for Azerbaijan. American military aircraft, operating from forward bases in Azerbaijan, will have a much shorter distance to fly when striking targets in and around Tehran.

    In fact, US air power should be able to maintain a nearly 24-hour a day presence over Tehran airspace once military hostilities commence.

    No longer will the United States need to consider employment of Cold War-dated plans which called for moving on Tehran from the Arab Gulf cities of Chah Bahar and Bandar Abbas. US Marine Corps units will be able to secure these towns in order to protect the vital Straits of Hormuz, but the need to advance inland has been eliminated.

    A much shorter route to Tehran now exists - the coastal highway running along the Caspian Sea from Azerbaijan to Tehran.

    US military planners have already begun war games calling for the deployment of multi-divisional forces into Azerbaijan.

    Logistical planning is well advanced concerning the basing of US air and ground power in Azerbaijan.

    Given the fact that the bulk of the logistical support and command and control capability required to wage a war with Iran is already forward deployed in the region thanks to the massive US presence in Iraq, the build-up time for a war with Iran will be significantly reduced compared to even the accelerated time tables witnessed with Iraq in 2002-2003.

    America and the Western nations continue to be fixated on the ongoing tragedy and debacle that is Iraq. Much needed debate on the reasoning behind the war with Iraq and the failed post-war occupation of Iraq is finally starting to spring up in the United States and elsewhere.

    Normally, this would represent a good turn of events. But with everyone's heads rooted in the events of the past, many are missing out on the crime that is about to be repeated by the Bush administration in Iran - an illegal war of aggression, based on false premise, carried out with little regard to either the people of Iran or the United States.

    Most Americans, together with the mainstream American media, are blind to the tell-tale signs of war, waiting, instead, for some formal declaration of hostility, a made-for-TV moment such as was witnessed on 19 March 2003.

    We now know that the war had started much earlier. Likewise, history will show that the US-led war with Iran will not have begun once a similar formal statement is offered by the Bush administration, but, rather, had already been under way since June 2005, when the CIA began its programme of MEK-executed terror bombings in Iran.

    Scott Ritter is a former UN weapons inspector in Iraq, 1991-1998, and author of Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of America's Intelligence Conspiracy, to be published by I B Tauris in October 2005.


    You can find this article at:
    http://tinyurl.com/92jf7
     
  2. ctp6360

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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    I seriously do not know how the USA is able to get away with unjustified and blatant attacks on other countries with only the justification that it is a 'war on terror'.

    Just this evening I heard an american senator say that since 9/11 they have been at war and that from that day forth it was their duty to attack Iraq. WTF, Osama bin Laden is from AFGHANISTAN.

    They are killing innocent people with no justifiable reason. I must admit

    I wasn't so wound up about the Iraq thing because it has no direct impact on me personally (sounds superficial but I bet a majority of people are like this too, which is why things like this continue). However my fiancee is Iranian and I know first hand what a wonderful and kind people they are.

    To label an entire nation of people as terrorists based on the actions of its leaders/government and then treat them as such is an absolute crime.
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Two points of fact:

    * Australia is as guilty as the US in the current Iraq invasion. Maybe even more so - we didn't even pretend that they'd attacked us.

    * Osama bin Laden himself is from Saudi Arabia. Al Quaeda formed in Afghanistan because the physical and political environment suited them - porous borders, very difficult terrain, poor official communications with weak central govt and very powerful local government (meaning combination of warlords and religious leaders). Note that a large part of the reason for the political environment was the Russian invasian and attempted occupation (though to be fair the Russians were one in a long line). Note further that nothing has changed except that now it's our side doing the invading.

    Hope the Bush administration is forced to pull its head in before it gets too involved in Iran. Best hope might be that they get worried about losing seats in the Congressional elections next year. OTOH, losing seats in Congress might also be the best hope.

    Meantime, what can we do at home to force our own government to think for itself about us and our place in the world instead of flapping around the failing flailing superpower.

    Ghoti
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    1. Iran is a post-peak oil producer although it still produces about 4.5% of world output and has substantial reserves. At 3.9 million barrels per day (mmbpd) it is the seccond largest OPEC producer behind Saudi Arabia at 9.6 mmbpd. Iran's peak production was 6 mmbpd in 1974.

    2. North America is collectively running out of natural gas. Discovery peaked long ago and maintaing production from a diminishing resource base is increasingly difficult and becomming impossible. In recent years US power stations have burned large quantities of diesel / kerosene and fuel oil (around 1 mmbpd) due to inadequate gas supplies. The UK is in an even worse position with gas production falling significantly and a relatively high dependence (in the order of 40%) on gas-fired electricity generation.

    3. Iran's key untapped resource is natural gas. With the largest individual gas field in the world Iran has more gas still in the ground than the US or UK ever had.

    4. Judge for yourself what this means but at no point did I use the term "weapons of mass destruction" or "terrorism".

    :2twocents
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Or "Massive weapons of destruction", for the Dr Who nuts among us.

    Ghoti :D
     
  6. DTM

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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Makes me think of East Timor. If they didn't have gas and oil fields, would we have helped liberate their country and then do them in negotiating a percentage of the profits?????

    How convenient that after so many years of not helping them, we suddenly think of freedom and democracy.., and oil!!!!!!
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Yes Osama Bin Laden is a Saud, and so were many of those who carried out the S11 attacks. But why would the US attack Saudi Arabia? They allegedly hold over 8% of equity on US markets, a dumping of that size as a result of military action would cripple the US economy (and leave most Americans furious at the sudden loss) and leave Bush with next to no political capital.

    Howard was on the news tonight saying the price of petrol was "out of his hands". He forgot to add "my mates dubya & Rumsfeld will do his best to flood us with cheaper oil soon enough..."
     
  8. It's Snake Pliskin

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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Actually, it was in our favour not to do anything about East Timor. Why? Because Indonesia granted us the share of oil we have. By liberating East Timor we have kicked our selves in the arse because we know must observe and obey the maritime seabed boundary determined by international law. Therefore it seems a bit green and immature, for anyone, to suggest east Timor was liberated for oil.

    The many people who tend to be anti American or western may take a few moments to think about their lives and the fact that we have such quality lives in thanks to the Americans. The alternative to the Americans is not even worth considering. :)
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    In my opinion the Australian Govt never expected a tiny country like East Timor to stand up to us on the oil issue, they thought they could blackmail them or bully them into giving up their rightful share under international law. That is the type of behaviour the US regime now champions and we should not be associated with it, pure self-interest is not a virtue in my book, whether it be done at the personal or international level. Furthermore, without going too far off topic, Australia could well have intervened earlier when we (our govt) had knowledge of the massacres which were taking place in East Timor, it did help in the end but out of tactical rather than humanitarian motivations. The same thing has happened with refugees in detention, years of using it as a political tool and only changing tack when it's politically safe (senate majority). Read former diplomat Richard Woolcott's book 'In the Hotseat' for an account of our Indonesian relations and see how 'altruistic' we were about East Timor.

    The Americans always act in their self-interest, as Winston Churchill remarked, "Americans will always do the right thing - after they have exhausted every other possibility". We will be discarded by them as soon as we are no longer useful, let's hope that is not soon. I can't see why Aussie lives should be lost for Uncle Sam, they already send their minority groups in as cannon fodder, thousands will return home with mental illness and damage the lives of their loved ones and those in the community. War should be a last resort (if an 'option' at all), pre-emption is not cool.
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    If we would just stop using so much oil and gas then that would end all questions of war for oil/gas.

    Hydro, wind, geothermal, coal, shale etc may well have problems but they don't lead to war.
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Oops. Opened my mouth about something I don't know anything about. A bit like shares IMO. :eek:
     
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    I simply advise people to look at history and enjoy the live's you have. Without America Australia is a sitting duck for any would be agressor, it's as simple as that. Appease Indonesia as amuch as possible and enjoy the status quo. We don't have the individual power to go toe-to-toe with them. I feel we should do the right thing by the East Timorese and give them back their oil though :swear:

    Yes, America does look after itself first, a given right to a sovereign nation. If it didn't that would would be a crime to it's citizenry. So does Russia, China, North Korea, Iran...the lands of freedom and paradise in the eyes of the media. I'll jump up and down in joy if I see just one article about these countries and their negative aspects. I wait in anticipation.:rolleyes:

    By the way, I'm not American. I'm a proud Aussie.
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    DTM,

    Actually, I like what you contribute to this forum regarding stocks. :)
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    With the recent election of an ultra-conservative in Iran, I wouldn't be surprised to see the usual spin about Islamic stereotypes.
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    Jose Ramos in The Age said he was happy with the deal with Australia where East Timor gets 95% of the money from the oil and that he was sick of left wingers who keep whinging at him that he shouldn't accept the deal and who betrayed East Timor under Whitlam anyway!

    I can see why Australia wants it's boundary to be the continental shelf.
    Be aware that many comment is uninformed and based on hate rather than logic.
     
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    Re: *IRAN* War already started: Scott Ritter.

    All that gas hidden under ground in Iran is justification for a war as it may and could be used to manufacture and produce and has the potential to be used in the wrong hands as a WMD.

    This is what i think G Bush jnr is concerned about so he might have to preemtively strike Iran before they have the the means to use it.

    He will have to send in the seals to locate where it actually is; they could come in the disguise of UN scientists with geology equipment that looks like WMD detecters then it can be located...Bush then gets the intelligence back that it has been hidden and and not used yet but stored up. He orders the US to strike and get it and then at the last minute his grandfather and fathers mates and ancestor's crack the ****s and say "wait a minute this will increase supply and cause our resource share prices to go down" so he leaves it in the ground and sets up a new Iranian government that help keep it in the ground until they come up with another idea and that is " we can make money out of this abundant supply" and Bush says "how?"

    Here is the plan we can sell or short futures contracts over our own shares and as supply goes up and our share price decreases we can make money on the decline in gas prices due to over supply.

    Now Bush says go get that weapon of mass destruction "Gas".
     
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    Bush Crowd: "A Real Threat to Our Republic"

    Joseph Wilson on Bush Crowd: "A Real Threat to Our Republic".

    Joseph Wilson is the author of The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity (Avalon Publishing Group, 2004). Joseph Wilson is a political centrist, was a career United States diplomat from 1976 to 1998.

    During Democratic and Republican administrations he served in various diplomatic posts throughout Africa and eventually as ambassador to Gabon. He was the acting ambassador to Baghdad when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990.

    In February 2002, he investigated reports of Iraq’s attempt to buy uranium from Niger. In October 2003, Wilson received the Ron Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling from the Fertel Foundation and the Nation Institute. He lives in Washington, D.C.

    Joseph Wilson was interviewed by Lori Price with Michael Rectenwald, Ph.D., of Citizens For Legitimate Government on 6 July 2005. The transcript of that interview follows.

    http://www.legitgov.org/clg_interview_joseph_wilson_060705.html#wilson_statement

    "This is a radical regime, not a Republican administration. It is the most oppressive crowd I have ever seen and is a real threat to our republic. While I am not an expert in elections I can see how people might believe the last two elections were stolen."

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     
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    My contacts in Tel Aviv, London and Washington tell me that is "on".

    The Ayatollahs have exhausted the patience of the rational governments of the West.

    gg
     
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    Oil Long GG?
     
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    Oil long, as it should be.

    gg
     
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