I gave this some thought the other day, the rise of radical Islam started in the late 1990's starting with the 1998 US embassy bombings in East Africa and obviously came to prominence with Sept 11 - so we are about 16 years into this..looking at other historical terrorist movements we can see that in general these have 20 or 30 year life spans.
- Red Brigades 70's and 80's
- IRA 70's 80's and 90's
- Palestinian/Black September 70's 80's and 90's
I know im generalising a bit here but hopefully we are about half way through this, once this generation of radicals are done with that should be about the end of it.
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I'm afraid that we are in for a much longer battle this time. I don't think we can win soon on a global front, but domestically we have to cut immigration from Islamic countries and not make the problem any worse here than it is now.
I don't think it's possible to say at this stage what will happen. The fanatical obsession of Islamic extremists seems to know no bounds, and any success they have seems to just reinforce their determination to create an Islamic world.
There seems to be a general expectation that it's up to the USA to 'do something about it'.
Already, just from their air strikes to try to protect the persecuted Christians and other minorities, the repercussion of one of their innocent journalists being barbarically beheaded has happened. There seems no reason to imagine more will not follow.
Why should the USA put their citizens in harm's way? Why don't the ME nations opposed to ISIS (or whatever it's currently calling itself) consider they have some responsibility to maintain peace in their region?
I have more questions, and no answers.
Thanks for starting the thread DB. It's most timely.
Wouldn't start until there's a "terror" clock and a "terror" scale to go with it.
There's a rising Dragon in our neighbourhood, hungry for resources and land; There's a restless Bear that used to challenge our Western powers for domination and is funding a rebellion to push back Western influence; Maybe a nuclear India with some 1 billion people no one seem to complain about beside bad IT help desk operators.
Maybe our closest ally has $14 trillion of debts and still fighting wars after wars; Maybe our own financial industry experts giving bad advice and wasting our billions of retirement savings, asking for more and more of it to play with;
Maybe our leadership ought to be a bit smarter and more... democratic... and treat all people who call Australia home, who grow up in Australia, are raising their family in Australia and, presumably are like all the "Team Australia" Australians would want their children a prosperous and secure future in Australia as Australians... maybe instead of running scare campaigns and marginalise these Australians and spending hundreds of millions to track its people, maybe doing that and we won't live with too high a risk of home grown terror.
Michael Scheuer, former CIA analyst and unit leader, was laughing when he said that the US, the most powerful military in the world, is now flying drones around Arab countries, killing its enemies one by one. It's hilarious.
You know, if Tibet were to fly its drones above Sydney and every now and then one of my people got blown up because Tibet doesn't like him... I'd probably wouldn't like Tibet that much, no matter how enlightened the Dalai Lama is.
Terrorism is a serious matter. So are potential wars and real invasion by a national force... We need real leadership and real statesman with real policies, not politicians running the country like they're running election campaigns and turning our people into bigots and idiots.
My family escaped oppression, escaped tyranny. Our parents worked very hard for our education, wanting us to be productive member of society.
Growing up, every once in a while when my parents could watch "Fast Forward", I always hear them say how lucky we are to be in Australia each time they see people can make fun of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating and not go to prison for it.
While there certainly are some who hate secular, non-religious democracies living in Australia... I'm willing to bet you that most people who escape dictators, escape religious fanaticism... we are the people who will stand up and defend Australia and its democratic values just as much if not more than you.
We will do it because we have heard from our parents, because we have known from our own experiences what it is like to have an oppressive, a racist, a bigoted government and its institutions running a country.
Being racist and bigoted like this and you're already losing a war you claim to fight for, you already lost the values and moral fabric of a great society you're claiming to defend.
This is all factually (and historically) correct - and verifiable.
In 732 AD the Muslim Army which was moving on Paris
was defeated and turned back at Tours, France, by Charles Martell.
In 1571 AD the Muslim Army/ Navy was defeated by the Italians and Austrians as they tried to cross
the Mediterranean to attack southern Europe in the Battle of Lapanto.
In 1683 AD the Turkish Muslim Army, attacking Eastern Europe, was finally defeated in the Battle
of Vienna by German and Polish Christian Armies.
...this crap has been going on for 1,400 years and half of these damn politicians don't even know it.
If these battles had not been won we might be speaking Arabic and Christianity could be non -
existent; Judaism certainly would be... And let us not forget that Hitler was an admirer of Islam and that the
Mufti of Jerusalem was Hitler's guest in Berlin and raised Bosnian Muslim SS Divisions: the 13th and
21st Waffen SS Divisions who killed Jews, Russians, Gypsies, and any other "subhumans".
Reflecting, a lot of Americans have become so insulated from
reality that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.
Pause a moment, reflect back. These events are actual events from history. They really happened!!!
Do you remember?
1. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male.
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim males.
3. In 1972 a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit
on final approach, it was blown up shortly after landing by Muslim males.
4. In 1973 a Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome,
with 33 people killed, when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.
5. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males.
6. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.
7. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim males.
8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was
murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.
9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue
passengers was murdered by Muslim males.
10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.
11. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim males.
12. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.
13. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade
Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and
crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim males.
14. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.
15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by---you guessed it was a--- Muslim male.
16. In 2013, Boston Marathon Bombing 4 Innocent
people including a child killed, 264 injured by Muslim males.
No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport
security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. So, ask yourself "Just how
stupid are we???"
Absolutely No Profiling!
They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper
identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old,
Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males, alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
Ask yourself "Just how stupid are we?"
Have the American people completely lost their minds or just their Power of Reason???
As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it, 'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'.
The gulf war and Afghanistan was the first war fought against radical Islam and that war drew in fighters from all over the world, they fought and died by the 10's of thousands...now we have the second wave ISIS and they total what 3 or 4 thousand foreign fighters and maybe 10 or 15 thousand locals, trapped in northern Iraq and eastern Syria.
They haven't got a chance, and have very little to genuinely offer the disgruntled Muslim youth of the world.
I wasn't sure if I should put this doco in this thread or the religion is crazy thread as they're both applicable.
Anyone interested in the uprising of the IS should take a look at this doco that consists of a film crew who traveled with IS recently.
A few key points. Non-Muslims have nothing to worry about as we can escape persecution by either converting to Islam or paying the IS a non-Muslim tax.....
You will see in the doco how religion is used as a tool to support their position, to recruit and drive their agenda, it's quite troubling how brainwashed these children are.
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Why are the Muslim youth of the world disgruntled? Because they can't all join ISIS and train to be Jihadists?
It's a method that's been working so well up until now for the the US strategists. So I suppose it is not surprising to see the same techniques being used by a lot of the above posters, 'Drone' on Drone on I say team Australia.
I wonder if there'll be any 'blow back' ???
Diversionary tactics... what diversionary tactics... quick look over there....Is that a Brandis I see or a Cardinal or an Abetz, with a with a back yard and some wire coat hangers, no no no it's a budget emergency, Ahh no it's not, oh. Just a bloke with a lot brown paper bags;
'Hold these for me for a minute will you please Peta. Thanks my darling'
.... Youth unemployment ???? it's alright my daughters got a nice scholarship and doesn't need to buy petrol, she gets the bus...
You might see China or Vietnam now and wonder what oppression... the current gov't would also ask the same thing too.
When we left, we were considered traitors to the "Motherland", there are instances of boats that managed to escaped the coast guards but Vnese fishing boats, civilian fishing boats, would chase them and tow them back and hand them over to the gov't.
If our boat were caught, our home would be confiscated, we'd be imprisoned for a couple of years though my father would served longer.
My parents had sold everything we have to get us on that boat, the only thing they have left were literally that tiny house - to sell it would cause suspicion...
At sea, there are dangers from piracy, dead engines, starvation... we were the lucky ones who reached a refugee camp in only 3 days and four nights relatively unscathed. Just an onset of starvation and dehydration due to the drinking water tank being rusted and there's no water the last two days.
I've experienced some minor incident of racism growing up, but overall, Australia is a great country with good people.
So to suggest that people who know what it's like to live under oppressive regimes like Communist VN, or who are lucky enough to escape poverty and religious persecution... to suggest that they would want to turn Australia into a country like the one they left behind is insane.
While I can't speak for any Arab-Australian, I'm sure most feel the same way about Australia as myself, my siblings and other migrant friends I know growing up.
I saw a lecture by Harvard Professor of political science - Stephen Walt - citing that surveys after surveys of public opinions, opinions of ordinary people in the Middle East... they are overwhelmingly favouring democratic, free and open society under the rule of law; that they like our Western values; they overwhelmingly hate their kings and dictators.
Walt said the survey shows that the people of the Middle East do not hate Americans or our freedom and democracy, they want the same thing for their own country. Just they do not like American policies imposed on them by America through propped up dictators and kings who are too friendly to Western powers, namely the US, and sold the people's resources from under them.
So to suggest that Arabs and Muslims are all radical extremists wanting to overthrow our values and turn Australia into an unstable, warring hell hole like most of the Middle East is... there are just no logical, no factual, no sensible basis for it.
They, like me, would rather put up with Bible bashing Abbott for another 2 years or so than try to supplant a rich and stable society to somehow put in power a Koran abusing idiot.
To suggest anyone would want that is just pure bigotry.
That's not to say there are no extremist radical, no home grown terrorists... you wouldn't find any Australians, Arabs or otherwise, supporting that kind of people.
But if we want to scare ourselves or let politicians do the scaring for us, why the heck not... what use is another billions or two to hospitals and schools and roads and bridges... let's build more databases and surveillance, let's tell those Arabs we're too smart to be fooled by their pretense to be human or Australians like the rest of us White and tan Aussies.
Apparently they aren't very good considering that there's only 1 Muslims for 6 people or so in the world; and Arabic nor Islam is not the internation religion or language.
Man, those Han Chinese must've somehow conquered current-day China and divide itself into hundreds of ethnic minority groups; Those Vietnamese must've just taken the Mekong Delta and create a couple new languages to name those cities; The British colonies must all have been empty of inhabitants who now call themselves Indians and Aborigines and Irish and Scottish.
Don't know about American airport security, but two of of the last three times I left Australia, I was "randomly" picked out for a more thorough security checks like analysing my bag for explosives and asking in very slow English what country I am from and where... am.... i ... go... ing.
I have posted this elsewhere, but would like to add this to the thread.
ASIO 2012-2013 Report to Parliament
Page 2, 3 and 4 are interesting.
Basically, there will be a Boston marathon bombing here one day, no matter what resources we throw at it, it can't be stopped.
With out exception extraordinary people that embrace and bring much to Australia.
Your parents sound much the same
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