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Grog: How much of a problem?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by basilio, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. basilio

    basilio

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    Most of us drink alcohol. Sometimes we might overdo it. Some of our friends overdo it.
    How seriously should we consider giving it away to improve our health and quality of life if not totally at least largely ?
    Check out this personal story.

    I was only going to give up alcohol for a month but I wasn’t prepared for the impact it had
    Gay Alcorn
    I drank to pretend my life was more interesting. Feeling slow or a little sad in the mornings was so normal I barely noticed it

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...th-but-i-wasnt-prepared-for-the-impact-it-had
     
  2. SirRumpole

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    It's un Australian not to get pi$$ed and beat up the missus at night.

    The culture has to change. The "watering down" of the national alcohol strategy was a warning as to how much power the alcohol industry has, as was the Rudd/Gillard failure to get through volumetric taxation of alcohol.

    Alcohol advertising should be banned for a start. People can still drink as much as they like, but there is no need to glorify a pastime that causes so much damage.
     
  3. basilio

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    I suppose I was interested if anyone else has decided to drastically reduce their drinking and the impact it has had on them.

    Gay Alcorns story wasn't that of an alcoholic but a person who used drink a bit of crutch and realised after stopping for a month just how much better she felt as a result.
     
  4. StockyGuy

    StockyGuy Observe, Discuss, Apply

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    Well of course. Is it a surprise that the human body runs better without that depressant? It's a diuretic due to fact body desperately attempts to remove it from the system at maximum speed. But no I was never much of a drinker. Her article seems like something to do when you gotta write an article on something. I think now most of us have got the memo even the red wine being healthy thing has been debunked.

    Anyway, I'm not totally against alcohol - it's a good social lubricant.

    It's worrying, though, the insidious way it is linked with so many desirable qualities in the popular mind - maybe say scotch for the wealthy and golfers, wine for the cultured and intellectual, beer for the hardworking and "true blue", vodka and it's mixes for those who are the life of the party etc etc.
     
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    What?

    When I het pissed, the missus beats *me up for getting pissed . :laugh::laugh:
     
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    Seriously though, we don't drink a lot. I have my moments though which I always regret. In my job, even a moderate session tells on me physically.

    I would never stop completely, but minimising consumption is just smarter.
     
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  7. basilio

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    Interesting that the article on The Guardian is now they most shared and most commented. Seems to have struck a nerve.
    Some really excellent observations in the comments. This particular one covered a few bases we might recognise. Maybe a few politicians should read it and have a long think about "newstarve"
    nunga93
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    A couple of years ago, I knew a guy in his 50s who, after years of manual labour, lost his job. In Australia, this meant that he swiftly ended up in dire poverty, (we have the lowest unemployment benefits in the OECD).

    His marriage destroyed, he lost his home, his partner, and after being unemployed for more than 2 years, (this is normal for people over 50 in Australia as age discrimination is rife in the workplace), he was physically so ground down, he lost most of his teeth, (can't afford a dentist on "newstarve"). His diet consisted of cheap carbs and junk food, all he could afford.

    He never drank alcohol, couldn't afford it, and had no social life at all, couldn't afford it. After years of this he became depressed, (who wouldn't), and simply stopped caring about himself at all.

    I visited him in his caravan to take him some vege I had grown and found him really drunk on cask wine, knowing that he only had about $35 for food for the fortnight, after he paid his bills from his "newstarve" allowance, I asked him why he bought the wine instead of food.

    He replied that when he bought the wine, he had just received his 300 rejection for his job application, and he just wanted to feel good for a few hours. I wasn't gonna be the one to lecture him on alcohol being bad for him.

    Next day, he took his own life. The affects of the alcohol were temporary, they always are unless you can afford to stay drunk. Forced sobriety did nothing to improve this guys life. If you are middle class, and choose to go without alcohol for a month, you are hailed as being brave, honest, a hero, etc. (Not disparaging Gay's article at all). When you are poor, you have a very different view of alcohol, the lectures about the damage to health are ignored, because it is a long term concern, and many people in dire poverty can't see a future. When people look at someone poor having an alcoholic drink, they don't see someone "socialising" they see someone they can demonise for being lazy, an addict, a drunk, (even though they may not actually be drunk), etc. There is always clamoring in the media, and from the religious right, to punish the poor who dare to buy alcohol, "cut their payments", "put them on the indue card", they can't manage their pittance so it should be taken away from them, etc etc.

    Interesting how the responses to a middle class woman realising that she is probably drinking too much, differ from the responses to any poor person drinking alcohol at all.
     
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    Its damaging and its a major problem through asia as well.

    The amount of 'soccer mums' I know that chug a bottle of wine every evening is ridiculous. Plenty of guys use it as a crutch.
    I think there is just a lot of depressed people out there. Modern day society can be robotic.
     
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    Haven't had a drink so far this year. Trying to get to NYE until l have a drink...
     
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    I think that's a very good point. We probably have a better relationship with technology than we do with other people.

    I think we are seeing a breakdown in the male/female relationship too with an alteration in the "traditional" roles, leading to confusion in both sexes and more depression and therefore more drinking..
     
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    There was such a huge response Gay Alcorns story on giving up the grog in The Guardian they decided to highlight some of the reader responses .

    Seems like it struck a nerve.
    Everything is better without alcohol, and I really do mean everything': reader relationships with drinking
    After Gay Alcorn wrote about giving up alcohol for a month readers responded with their own tales of struggle, indulgence and enjoyment

    Guardian readers

    Thu 1 Aug 2019 20.39 EDT

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    This week Gay Alcorn wrote about giving up alcohol for a month and how she was not prepared for the impact it had. She wrote:

    I drank to pretend that my life was more interesting than it was, to escape from everyday problems, and because I enjoyed it. Or maybe that’s self-justifying crap. Maybe it’s just that alcohol is an addictive substance like all of those illicit drugs we demonise and, over the years, I had become addicted.

    The piece had an extraordinary response with hundreds of thousands of people reading. Below is an edited selection of the reader comments:
    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...everything-reader-relationships-with-drinking
     
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