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  1. Dona Ferentes

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    Was there a question?
     
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  2. Value Collector

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    Yes.

    Even a decent chunk of the food that makes it into our homes and restaurants gets wasted, either expires before it’s cooked, or gets scrapped of the plate half eaten.
     
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  3. SirRumpole

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    It all comes down to the number of people we have to feed though doesn't it ?

    More people, more animals to feed them, more crops to feed the animals, more land clearing to graze the herds and plant the crops more environmental degradation.

    There has to be a carrying capacity of any land area given its rainfall, soil type and suitability but no one seems to have studied this issue in depth, or if they have it's been swept under the carpet.
     
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  4. Value Collector

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    Check out this short 56 second video to see the difference in land use needed to support a plant based diet vs Vegetarian with dairy and eggs vs meat eating omnivore

     
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  5. Value Collector

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    firstly you are ignoring the fact that cattle farmed in arid areas still normally spend the last 6 months of their life being fattened up in feed lots where they eat grain and soybeans.

    secondly, allowing the marginal areas to return to nature would actually be a good thing, as we wouldn’t need as much farm land.

    Also, if there is enough water for a heard of cattle to eat and drink, then you have more than enough water to run modern protected cropping such as this,

     
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  6. Sdajii

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    You have clearly never been to a central Australian cattle station. That is, the type of station where the majority of Australia's beef comes from. That type of land absolutely can not be used to farm any plant crop. There are so many factors making plant crops impossible there.

    It is true that a lot of cattle raised on land unusable for anything else ends up being fattened up before slaughter, but this still doesn't make them equivalent to the figures being used, and by no means holds any water with the 'veganism is efficient' argument, since it would be perfectly feasible to farm something like goats or kangaroos on that land without any fattening up. You are ignoring the fact that with extremely little input, a large amount of meat can be produced on land which can not be used to grow plants. Sure, we don't always do it efficiently (with plants either, mind you - do you think those ultra processed plant-based foods are made as efficiently as they could be?) but it absolutely is possible.
     
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  7. SirRumpole

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    Talking about an unpublished work is no more than spreading rumours. It's pretty underhand really.
     
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  8. Garpal Gumnut

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    Especially as they ain't "woke" I suppose. ;)

    gg
     
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  9. Garpal Gumnut

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    I'll leave this conversation to you, I'm not that invested in it other than to make the odd observation or remark. Neither side would make me break stride to cross the road in their defence.

    I do enjoy vegan and carnivore food. Whether the UK Farmer's Union is correct or not you and others can argue in the slow cooker of debate.

    It was published in a paper of record, and I quoted it. Google it for the original article but it's behind a firewall.

    gg
     
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  10. Smurf1976

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    Pity we can't just use any form of energy to run humans.

    If we could be electrically powered then it would be less than a 10% increase in power consumption.

    Or if we used petrol then just one litre contains enough energy to run an adult human for 4 days.

    Not that I recommend connecting yourself to mains electricity or drinking petrol indeed both are sure to kill you. :2twocents
     
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  11. Sdajii

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    Not to do with religious beliefs in most cases; mostly due to apathy, squeamishness or incorrect assumption of inedibility (much the same as with western people and most others). As an example, when we were emptying the insect traps in Laos I was wanting to eat a lot of the insects they were throwing away or feeding to the chickens. For some reason they thought some of the safe ones were poisonous, and they just didn't seem interested in eating some of the others, or they were squeamish about them. After a few days they didn't try to stop me eating the ones I wanted to. I found in some provinces people happily ate some types which in other areas they wouldn't touch. I've almost never seen anyone in these regions get the marrow out of bones, even though in other parts of the world it is a normal practice, and indeed marrow is the most nutritious part of an animal. Even things like highly nutritious fish skin of some of the most commonly eaten species is commonly discarded in places like north and east Thailand and Laos, and they think I'm strange for wanting to eat it. Western people are particularly squeamish and limited in their ability to recognise what it edible so they often make the mistake of thinking these people will eat anything, but it's just that they eat a lot more than western people do. There's nothing religious about not eating fish skin, various insects, marrow, etc etc. Some of them will avoid eating things like elephant etc. for quasi religious reasons. Things like cat and turtle are avoided by some for quasi religious reasons but most of them in the most food-adventurous regions I've hung out in will eat these things, though they'll often initially deny it to foreigners and only admit to it after they know the foreigner is happy to eat them too. In northern Laos I asked a room full of people aged between about 8 and 50 if they'd eaten cat. They all said no. I pretended to believe them and started talking about how delicious cat was and told stories about how I'd eaten cat in various situations, including in a nearby village when someone's wife cooked it and served it to me as a practical joke, telling me it was pork. I recognised the flavour and said it was cat, they were surprised I knew and didn't care. After telling that story a few people in the room admitted to it and we started talking about how good it was etc etc, and shortly afterwards everyone in the room admitted they'd eaten it.

    Pretty funny she'd ask what platypus tastes like! I wouldn't kill one to eat it and I probably will never taste platypus, but in the absolute freak event that I saw one get killed by a falling tree branch or something, I'd definitely cook it up!
     
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  12. Sdajii

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    "On average" is the key line here. Just because most forms of meat production are environmentally worse than most plant-based food production doesn't mean that the forms of meat production which are less environmentally destructive are also more destructive. The focus, if anything, should be selecting food production which is as efficient as possible, rather than lumping everything into two categories, taking the average of each, and then dumping one entire category. That lunacy is the vegan environmental argument!
     
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    International shipping is down drastically, supply chains are failing and food is sitting at ports worldwide waiting for customs clearance. To make matters worse some places in the world are seeing the hoarding of food and other necessities.

    Even though there is an abundance of food in the world our interdependence on other countries through specialisation, trade and globalisation is now proving to be very fragile system indeed.
     
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    The shipping (or lack of) is a real concern. Something I am concerned about.
     
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    Anyone for crayfish?
     
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    please show me the facts about how farming soybeans to feed to cattle and pigs is more efficient than using that same farmland to grow soybeans for tofu and other human foods.

    do a bit of research to find out how much amazon rainforest is being cleared to grow soybeans and other crops to feed cattle.

    do you really think the majority of steaks, bacon and chicken are coming from wild game? or that it would be even possible to feed the world from wild game cost effectively.

    and as for wild caught fish, well we already know that the oceans are struggling at their limit, we can’t really double the fish we take.
     
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    Amazing. You fight being pulled up for cherry picking by cherry picking. Great job, mate.
     
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    cherry picking???

    dude, 80% of Beef sold in Australian super markets comes from feedlots, 100% of chicken and 100% of pigs also are raised in feedlots.

    It’s actually you missing the point, if we weren’t feeding all those animals crops, we wouldn’t need to farm the marginal land and it could be returned to nature.

    And as I said, if you really really really want to use marginal land for some reason, you could using protected cropping.