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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 7 4.0%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 24.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 71 40.8%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 33 19.0%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 18 10.3%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 12 6.9%

  • Total voters
    174
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Future braking systems on EVs (first 2.5 minutes is an explanation of previous braking systems, after that it the new system) -

 
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Unfortunately, it looks like it won't be coming to oz any time soon.
Had my nephew and his wife up for the weekend.
he works at ford development.
Told me the current thinking is that the Yanks are working on an EV truck the size of the current Ranger, which is likely to be the one they bring in to OZ in RHD format.
He said that the demand for the Lightning in the USA is so large, that they will struggle to fill orders for the next ten years.
Ford have already upped the production by 100%, to go any further needs them to either
(a) build another entirely new plant, or
(b) turn an existing ICE production plant into an other Lightning production factory.
Both of those scenarios require both lotsa time and lots money.
Its entirely possible that the only way we see any Lightnings F150's here in OZ is by the likes of Walkinshaws or one of the other FPV converters doing it as one off's.
It would cost big bickies.
Same goes for the Rivian, the New GMC EV Silverado or the EV Hummer
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Tesla Model Y first in line for CATL's superior M3P phosphate battery with longer range​

_Y_Made_in_Germany_Gigafactory_Berlin57_b55acce79a.jpg The Model Y is first in line for CATL's new M3P battery (image: Tesla)
The mysterious new Tesla order to the world's largest electric vehicle battery manufacturer CATL turned out to be not of its novel Kirin batteries, but of LFP packs. Not your regular LFP battery, though, rather a greatly improved chemistry with higher density slated for the Model Y.
Daniel Zlatev, 08/03/2022
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The world's largest EV battery maker CATL recently announced a novel Kirin batterytechnology that allows for higher energy density than Tesla's 4680 battery cells in the same footprint. It then became clear that Tesla has ordered CATL a new type of battery than the LFP ones it already supplies for the Model 3 units made in the Shanghai Gigafactory.
Bets at the time were that Tesla might have ordered the 4680-style cells, despite that it now counts LG and Samsung among its suppliers for them, besides the original partner in the battery's development Panasonic. Now, however, local media is reporting that CATL will be selling Tesla its even more novel, M3P battery technology. It is similar to the improved LFP battery chemistry with added manganese, the so-called LMFP packs, but CATL insists that its technology is different and proprietary.
GAC, the maker of the first 620-mile range electric SUV announced - the Aion LX+ - already outed its own take on the manganese LFP technology, what it calls the SmLFP battery. It can charge up to twice faster than the LFP packs that Tesla now puts in its Model 3 and Model Y vehicles and has higher energy density, as well as better capacity retention in cold weather climates.
While little is known about CATL's exact M3P battery specs, insider sources have revealed that the cells have higher energy density than LMFP batteries while providing similar longevity and charging speed improvements.
To top it all off, their production costs are on par with the LFP chemistry while CATL calls them "ternary lithium battery of the phosphate chemistry system" as it doesn't just replace iron with manganese at places, but also throws other metals like zinc or aluminum into the mix. As a result, "the energy density of M3P batteries is about 15% higher than that of lithium iron phosphate batteries, reaching 210 Wh/kg, and the cost is comparable to that of LFP batteries," tip insiders.
CATL will be shipping its new M3P lithium-phosphate battery to Tesla for a 72 kWh Model Y pack in Q4 and will start its mass production the following quarter, claims the report. The Model Y with CATL's new M3P battery is thus slated to release in early 2023. Interestingly, CATL's chief scientist said while announcing the M3P battery technology that it will be aimed at vehicles with 700km (435-mile) range. That's higher than what the current Standard Range Model Y offers with a "regular" LFP battery, so it remains to be heard if Tesla will also announce a longer range of its cheapest Model Y version with the new M3P battery as it nears release.
 
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Hyundai Ionic 6 could be a rival for Tesla Model 3.


You can sit through a bit of a rant or go to the 18 minute mark for a teaser on the Ionic6.

 
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As we've said in the past, it really doesn't matter what Australia does regards emissions or banning cars, the major car makers are not going to keep making cars just for us.
If the E.U bans ICE cars, or makes emission standards too hard to attain, the automakers will just stop making them. So E.V's will be the only choice anyway, the only options will be wait time, from the various manufacturers as demand exceeds production capacity.

There may not be another Volkswagen Golf – one of Europe’s best-selling cars – if new emissions regulations prove too expensive to meet, too soon.
Speaking to German publication Welt, new Volkswagen CEO Thomas Schafer said a decision will be made on whether to develop a ninth-generation Golf within the next 12 months.
“We will have to see whether it is worth developing a new vehicle that does not last the full seven or eight years [before emissions regulations force a switch to electric power],” said Schafer.
 
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Hyundai Ionic 6 could be a rival for Tesla Model 3.


You can sit through a bit of a rant or go to the 18 minute mark for a teaser on the Ionic6.


Hyundai will not takeover the Tesla until they stop pissing off their customers and potential customers.
The ridiculous online ordering system creates that sees people competing to complete the order form before all the car s are sold discriminates against people with slow or even nonexistent internet access.
They also discriminate against people outside the capital cities.
You have to put your Postcode in when you aorder, so the clever eople outside of the main cities lied about their postcode.
Shocked that they had to deliver cars to people who did not live close to the delerships, Hyundai have now demanded that potential buyers put in the drivers license as well as their post code.
If the drivers license and the post code entered do not match, the order is rejected.

From The DrivenIO

Regional drivers unhappy with Ioniq 5 sales process​

The Driven has heard from several readers unhappy with the sales process, which requires drivers to enter their residential postcode before ordering. They say that to complete the order process, their driver’s licence address must now match the delivery address.

As The Driven reported in May, some drivers said they had fudged details in earlier “drops” to get around the location restrictions.

A letter sent on Wednesday to awaiting potential customers and sighted by The Driven said: “With unprecedented demand remaining high across the country for this award-winning sell-out. We expect that delivery could take from 2 weeks up to 6 months or more depending on your vehicle’s production status.”

And while a missive from Hyundai Australia said that the Ioniq 5 is available in all states and territories except NT, the letter also said: “Currently available in major capital cities, you’ll need to select one of the below as your preferred delivery partner when placing an order.”

Some readers have described the sales process – which has consistently seen the very limited number of cars sell out within minutes – as a chook raffle.
The Driven reached out to Hyundai Australia to confirm when and if the Ioniq 5 will be offered to regional buyers. A spokesperson replie din a note to The Driven: “With extremely limited supply of Ioniq 5, and demand still remaining very high, we will continue to limit sales to metropolitan areas through necessity.
“However, as supply frees up we have plans to expand our sales process to regional areas, but the timing for this expansion is yet to be confirmed.”
That’s good news, but it won’t be soon enough for some. “Screw you guys, I’ll build my own electric car,” joked one reader in a note to The Driven.

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As we've said in the past, it really doesn't matter what Australia does regards emissions or banning cars, the major car makers are not going to keep making cars just for us.
If the E.U bans ICE cars, or makes emission standards too hard to attain, the automakers will just stop making them. So E.V's will be the only choice anyway, the only options will be wait time, from the various manufacturers as demand exceeds production capacity.

There may not be another Volkswagen Golf – one of Europe’s best-selling cars – if new emissions regulations prove too expensive to meet, too soon.
Speaking to German publication Welt, new Volkswagen CEO Thomas Schafer said a decision will be made on whether to develop a ninth-generation Golf within the next 12 months.
“We will have to see whether it is worth developing a new vehicle that does not last the full seven or eight years [before emissions regulations force a switch to electric power],” said Schafer.
All that CO2 CC BS could quickly go down in flame, once people are starving, wo water and power and unemployed.
And enraged once they discover they have been lied to the teeth.
Look at today's released news about CC figures being actially a quarter of claimed..but you will not see that in their ABC which is probably already preparing a narrative compliant "fact checker "
Most of people know now they have been played with covid and jabs, so truth in "official science" is gone.
Hard to accept being such fools for the masses but with time, and no food no money, things go fast
And the argument for ev is very light at best in our country
We are not a 3m Islandish popukarion 100% hydro with trips below 100km
 
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Wife and I just did a trip down to Albany, shocking weather, filled up and reset the odo, 636klm used 60 litres cost $115.
But it is a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is big and heavy. Lol
 
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Wife and I just did a trip down to Albany, shocking weather, filled up and reset the odo, 636klm used 60 litres cost $115.
But it is a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is big and heavy. Lol
Which is less than what a sparky will charge you to come and look at your fuse box or quote a switch change.
More relevant, you spent in fuel one lettuce an hour.
Quite a bargain 😁
I can not help smiling/ crying that all the EV narrative was initially pushed by the EU aka Germany which is now going back to the dark ages with a collapsing economy purely based on that ideology.
Our problem will not be the absence of ICE car offers, more our own..or globalist ..laws forbidding us to import/purchase them from India China.
Anyway looking forward to hearing what happens with BYD and MG offers.
so that we can all be ready to stop driving when the missiles stop over Taipei, not just past.
IMHO, it was much easier to bomb poor Irak to get oil that it will be with China for EV batteries, and cars,and electronics, and electrical network components...
Or even Russia for gas...ask Germany!!!
 
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Wife and I just did a trip down to Albany, shocking weather, filled up and reset the odo, 636klm used 60 litres cost $115.
But it is a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is big and heavy. Lol

How much will the next service cost? Oil & filters.
 
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