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Donald Trump withdraws US from Paris CC accord: Where to now?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by basilio, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. noco

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    New technology will eliminate 90% of green house gases from coal fired power stations and is well in advance.

    Terry McCran gives Donald Trump a pat on the back for withdrawing from the Paris accord calling it a scam and a farce.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...d/news-story/5df09a85109421908faba26d406ff440

    Check out the comments as well.
     
  2. basilio

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    "New technology will eliminate 90% of green house gases from coal fired power stations and is well in advance." Noco

    Really and truly ? But why bother Noco if there is no such thing as global warming and greenhouse gases have no influence on it. I mean why not just endlessly repeat your endless dribble about the worldwide global warming scam ?

    And as for "new technology to eliminate 90% of GG gases from coal fired power stations"
    That is so pie in the sky rubbish it makes Father Christmas look legit. How about checking out some facts on the ways and means and costs of improving the efficiency and reducing emissions from coal fired power stations. Makes wind and solar look a breeze.

    https://theconversation.com/is-clean-coal-power-the-answer-to-australias-emissions-targets-71785
     
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  3. basilio

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    Well surprise, surprise, surprise...
    The EU has dropped Donald Trump like a large, stinky dog xurd and gone directly to the States, cities and businesses that have pledged to follow through on CC action.

    .... and China has chimed in to restate it's commitment to international agreements and action on CC

    EU to bypass Trump administration after Paris climate agreement pullout
    Brussels rejects Trump’s offer to renegotiate landmark deal, as global politicians, business leaders and US state governors criticise president


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    Chinese premier Li Keqiang (right) with European commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. Both spoke of a commitment to tackling global warming. Photograph: Francois Lenoir/Reuters

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    Daniel Boffey, Kate Connolly and Anushka Asthana

    Friday 2 June 2017 22.08 AEST First published on Friday 2 June 2017 17.11 AEST

    The European Union has rejected Donald Trump’s offer to renegotiate the Paris climate agreement and pledged instead to bypass Washington to work with US business leaders and state governors to implement the historic accord’s commitments.

    Less than 24 hours after the US president announced his decision to withdraw from the 2015 agreement and strike a new, less ambitious deal with the rest of the world, Brussels declared its outright refusal to engage in such talks.

    EU officials will instead cut out the White House to deal directly with the US states and major corporations, many of whom have already pledged to live by the terms forged in Paris.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...fighting-global-warming-despite-us-withdrawal
     
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  4. noco

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    I mentioned that to stop the dribble coming out of your mouth about coal fired power stations.

    You seem to forget, wind power is great when the wind blows but is useless as tits on a bull when the wind doesn't blow or it blows too hard.....Same with the Sun....Both are only 15 % efficient.....The Japanese have now developed coal fired power stations with an efficiency of 45% and are the ones developing the new technology....Coal fired power stations last 60 years......Solar panels 25 years ....wind turbines 25 years........What will the cost be in 25 years to replace those solar panels and wind turbines?

    OFF TOPIC.

    https://stopthesethings.com/tag/terry-mccrann/page/2/
     
  5. basilio

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    What do the business leaders that sit on Trumps advisory panel think about pulling out of the Paris accord?

    Not impressed..

    Well worth reading to realise how and why Donald Trump is completely out of line with the big business community.

    Elon Musk and Disney boss quit Trump's business panel over Paris pullout
    High-profile departures from business advisory role shine light on other panel members and their beliefs


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    Tesla CEO Elon Musk sits beside Senior Counselor to the President Steve Bannon as US President Donald Trump hosts a strategy and policy forum with chief executives of major US companies. Photograph: Kevin Lamarque/Reuters

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    Dominic Rushe in New York


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    Friday 2 June 2017 18.15 AEST Last modified on Saturday 3 June 2017 02.30 AEST

    Donald Trump may think tackling climate change is bad for business. But business? Not so much.

    Two of the US’s biggest business leaders, Tesla founder Elon Musk and Disney’s Robert Iger, have quit Trump’s high-powered business advisory panel after the president pressed ahead with plans to pull out of the Paris climate accord.

    ..... The two defections and Blankfein’s message leave a lot of other people on Trump’s high-powered business council in a very awkward position, given their own – and their companies’ – views on Paris and climate change.

    Here’s a sample of Trump’s business team and the conflicts they now face.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...quit-trumps-business-panel-over-paris-pullout
     
  6. noco

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    Those two blokes out of how many?

    They are most likely to be Democrats....Clinton lovers.
     
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    And that is why wind is mixed with solar. Between the two means there is virtually continuous supply but with the growing advancement of batteries the game is over for coal. The costs are dropping by the day with wonderful advancements, particularly in solar. Soon power will even be generated off road surfaces.

    Off topic but you introduced it here noco.
     
  8. luutzu

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    Yea, but what if it's cloudy with chance of rain, but no wind? :D

    Or if it's cloudy with no wind during the day, but plenty of wind at night when we don't use any electricity.

    See, too risky. We ought to play it safe and go with coals because coal is always there, will always be delivered even if the tracks or the freight breaks down.
     
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    Trump leaving the Paris climate accord is probably one of the best things to happen in a long time. Suddenly it seems most of the world is united and will go their own way without waiting for US political policy. Even the powerful within the US are now coming out, great to see...

    The following is why Trump's decision is not just meaningless, but a day that united most of the world........


    "Larry Fink – chairman and CEO of BlackRock
    BlackRock, an investment manager that overseas $5tn in assets, has become increasingly vocal about its concerns on climate change. Fink has warned CEOs he is losing patience with those that fail to account for how they will address the cost of climate change, both from new regulation and a changing planet.

    Exxon, Occidental Petroleum and PPL, a large utility holding company, have all been forced to be more transparent about the impact of climate change on their businesses after pressure from BlackRock."

    I use to be a climate skeptic, and was called a denier. There is now too much evidence to be a skeptic.
     
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  10. noco

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    brty, that is sad news.......Who was the fink who got to your brain?
     
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    Typical of your abusive response to fellow posters expressing an opinion different to yours.

    You're a disgrace and should follow your mate Calliope into the Internet twilight zone.
     
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    The batteries back up lasts for days now and some solar is still generated when there is cloud. The overall combination is now doing the job.
     
  13. noco

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    Rumpy, brty will see the light of day again one day......I don't see any abuse...Stop your exaggeration.
     
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    I know you don't, that's the problem. I reported your comment because I've had enough of you hurling insults around here, and then saying "who me" . All the others on this board are capable of having a reasonable discussion except you.
     
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  15. noco

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    Rumpy, that is the pot calling the kettle black...You are a past master at character assassination......Where do you think I got it from?
     
  16. brty

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    My brain is just fine. When circumstances or evidence change, I'm well prepared to change my mind. There is no other logical course of action.
     
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  17. noco

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    And you are entitled to your opinion.
     
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    SirR perhaps in your report against Noco, you might also quote your post #4 in this thread, urging readers to boycott US, Chinese and Indian trade goods! This is far more subversive than any so-called 'insult' from Noco.
    Someone is trying to shut down a contradictory opinion here, and it isn't Noco!
     
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    Does all the money go to Europe with the Paris accord?
     
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