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Colorado, gun control and the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by DB008, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    I didn't realise the end where the Uzi is pointing at the bloke's head is where he gets his entry visa to gun heaven. Apparently the footage is from the child's parents.

    I say book 'em Danno as unfit parents.
     
  2. SirRumpole

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    Neither did the child unfortunately
     
  3. Craton

    Craton Mostly passive, contrarian.

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    Far out! An Uzi firing nine mm slugs in auto mode and at virtually point blank range, never gonna end well is it.

    I don't understand why in the hell you'd be teaching your nine yr old how to use an Uzi. Without knowing the US of A gun laws this is a great example that there's some serious flaws in them there laws! A weapon like that in the hands of a child is simply mind boggling. What are the parents, jihadists or worse, mentally deficient? Sorry, I just can't get my head around it.

    I'd reckon too, that vid will become mandatory viewing for all instructors. Shows the all too real threat of being too front on very graphically.

    R.I.P. Mr Instructor.

    @DJG. Great replies and great insight into current gun ownership. Your attitude is not only refreshing but very mature and responsible.

    Myself, being born and bred in the outback, guns were and still are part and parcel of life so am not against gun ownership. Guns certainly have their place both as vermin control and as sporting recreation. In the right hands, guns are safe, are valuable work tools, are prized sporting possessions. In the wrong hands, lives are at stake.

    The old adage: guns don't kill people, people kill people. That's the world we live in and no amount of legislation will change that.
     
  4. >Apocalypto<

    >Apocalypto< 20.03.2012

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    they happen in china, just with knives. there's been an increase last few years sadly.

    Google
    school stabbing china
     
  5. prawn_86

    prawn_86 Mod: Call me Dendrobranchiata

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    It is that exact adage that the NRA and pro-gun lobby over here in 'Merica use. Why should you regulate guns when it's people that kill, not the guns...

    It's amazing how many supposedly sensible people here think that more guns make them safer. In fact on the local news today i saw that regular police officers in certain suburbs are now allowed to carry AR-15's as that will make the suburb 'safer'. How the hell is an AR-15 going to make an area safer than a normal hand-gun??
     
  6. SirRumpole

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    Living in a regional area on a property I own a gun for vermin eradication reasons. I have to say that I feel safer with it considering the local police are usually based 30km away and would take a while to get here if there was any trouble. Not that there ever has been.

    Gun crime in this area seems pretty rare, despite the fact (told to me by a policewoman) that there are over 14,000 weapons in the Bathurst/Orange area. Possibly the fact that it is known that most households in the area would posses a gun deters the crims.

    Of course, that could be an argument everywhere. In the cities it seems that only crims and gang members can get guns, however I don't think the answer is to let people in cities have guns for protection. The answer is to stop the import of illegal weapons and put very heavy penalties on illegal weapons possession.

    I'm not normally a fan of John Howard, but I think he made a gutsy and correct move by toughening up on gun ownership.
     
  7. prawn_86

    prawn_86 Mod: Call me Dendrobranchiata

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    To be honest i think that was probably the last big show of political leadership and change for the good of the country that Australia has seen.

    I grew up in the country too and have shot my share of guns, like you, i just fail to see a reason why the 'average' person should be able to own a gun.
     
  8. SirRumpole

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    The insanity goes on...

    No criminal charges after 9yo girl fatally shoots Arizona gun instructor with Uzi

     
  9. Craton

    Craton Mostly passive, contrarian.

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    By culling the vermin of course :D as per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15#Australia


    Feeling safer can be a dual edged sword too. The owner of a local security firm here has always said, "...if ya carry a gun, ya gonna get shot at." I certainly wouldn't like to live by those words but he sure has a valid point.

    Those cops prawn mentions, I can only imagine what weapons the crims will use in retaliation.

    Certainly a gutsy move and one that Howard has often been applauded for.
    I didn't mind handing back a .22 that had a broken ejector pin, ended up getting $30 more than I paid for that rifle too.

    That right there is where the Americans have the issue isn't it?

    2nd Amendment reads in part:
    Sure, no problems there, doesn't mean one has to actually keep or own a gun does it?

    Unfortunately, American culture being what it is, their gun law is so embedded in their folk lore.
     
  10. SirRumpole

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    The militia is called the US Armed forces. Whether it is well regulated is another issue.

    :eek:
     
  11. DB008

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    Why should there be? It was an obvious accident. If anything, Darwin Award....
     
  12. Julia

    Julia In Memoriam

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    I take it that the 'insanity' you refer to goes to no one being charged here. Who do you think should be charged and why? Seems like a dreadful accident to me.
    That said, I abhor the American gun culture which allows this situation to occur in the first place.
     
  13. Wysiwyg

    Wysiwyg Everyone wants money

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    The epitome of stupidity in regard to Planet America gun culture. The result :- man dead, family & friends grieving, child with experience of death/killing/blood.
     
  14. Wysiwyg

    Wysiwyg Everyone wants money

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    Oh that stems from the early years of evolution. If the nut doesn't crack, hit it harder.
     
  15. SirRumpole

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    Who should be charged ? The parents and operators of the gun centre for putting a deadly weapon in the hands of a minor. Who would be charged if the child was allowed to drive a car on a public road ?
     
  16. DJG

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    The average person shouldn't have a drivers licence either, but hey, they passed all the same tests to get their drivers licence, just like the 'average' person passed to get their gun licence. I'm speaking Australia here by the way.

    Of course the US laws regarding guns is somewhat 'whack'. It would be political suicide for a president to do anything drastic regarding guns though. It just won't happen, its far too embedded in their daily lives and culture...as bad as that might be.

    Although most people probably think the saying 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is just some 'hick' saying, it definitely has merit and you can't argue it doesn't. Such as in my last post, I think its just as much the people of the USA, then it is the fact they have guns. ie. it seems the majority are just f*cked in the head! plain and simple.

    I don't believe in all of the US' gun laws and some are just insanely stupid. Although, who am I to comment on it...

    Cheers for the praise Craton :xyxthumbs
     
  17. SirRumpole

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    I was talking to someone the other day who had a run in (literally) with a driver who possessed a foreign driving licence. This person (the owner of the foreign licence) was incapable to drive on our roads and in all probability obtained their licence by bribery.

    So if we continue to recognise foreign driving licences, should we recognise foreign gun licences ? The best choice is to recognise neither, but I suspect that would upset foreign countries so we give in in the name of political correctness.
     
  18. DJG

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    By memory you may need to do a minor test to in order to convert from a foreign licence to domestic (although not to the extent an 18-year old does). I'd be skeptical to say it's bribery.

    I'm unsure on your view regarding foreign gun licences, as there is no such thing - not in Australia anyway.
     
  19. SirRumpole

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    The point is, as long as someone has a piece of paper that says they passed a test in a foreign country we let them drive on our roads. I think we all know that some countries are driven more by money than competence.

    I don't think there is, but a comparison was made with driving licences. I don't think we should accept foreign driving licences because we don't accept foreign gun licences. The principle is the same.
     
  20. DJG

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    Have you ever seen a 16 year old shoot his first gun after playing 10 years of shooting video games? And just how far from reality they're when it comes to responsibility?

    I'd much prefer a grown child/young adult be introduced to a real rifle (and thus the safety, consequences etc) before playing said video games.

    You'll find ones who go the other way around will get overly excited seeing, let alone using a gun as if it's the first time they kissed a girl!

    Obviously the parents of that girl are just plain stupid to think she could handle a full auto, which bare in mind has no support and purely using forearm strength.
     
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