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moXJO

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If I had a large enough voting block could I swing vote compass?
Obviously the politicians are basing policies around voter sentiment.
 
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This is because of your bias blindspot, perhaps the most egregious bias of them all.
Make that 3 consecutive posts that are baseless.
I admire people for their consistency.

You could have instead focussed on the issues which impacted robustness of poll outcomes seeing this was your concern.
 
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Here is the exchange on superannuation Bill Shorten had today:

Journalist: Can you rule out no new or increased taxes on superannuation?

BS: We have no plans to increase taxes on superannuation.

J: That’s different from ruling it out though.

BS: We have no plans to introduce any new taxes on superannuation.

J: So will you rule it out?

BS: Sure.

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I'm calling BS on that :)

Their official policy is (or was and therefore will be) to tax contributions and earnings.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04...s-for-high-income-wealthy-australians/6410800

His "birthday cake" moment ?

The cracks were always going to show when subjected to scrutiny. It's only been division within the government that to this point has prevented that.
 

moXJO

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If I had a large enough voting block could I swing vote compass?
Obviously the politicians are basing policies around voter sentiment.
Just looking at it further it seems easy to sway. Is there a system in place to stop people forcing an outcome?

A dedicated team could skew results fairly easy on a page that accepts a postcode (I didn't go right through to the end admittedly). Vpn to hide ip address, couple of activists and away you go without a failsafe.
I feel social media has brought large numbers of people together that can actively skew certain things.
 

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Agree about the divisions but don't think its quite at the same level as Hewson's cake also to early in the election.

Plenty of time for major blunders by both sides but I do get a sense no one is listening to either side.

BTW nice to see you are still breathing Dr.
 
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His "birthday cake" moment ?

The cracks were always going to show when subjected to scrutiny. It's only been division within the government that to this point has prevented that.

I doubt if it will have much effect anyway. The changes will hit mostly Liberal voters so it's a calculated risk.
 

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His "birthday cake" moment ?

The cracks were always going to show when subjected to scrutiny. It's only been division within the government that to this point has prevented that.
Jornos might start the pressure. BS is a scripted parrot. If he deviates slightly he is up the creek.

I probably say this every year, but Jesus its like a choice between dumb and dumber.
 
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I Enjoyed this from John Cadigan re the electric car policy. Actually, he goes the knuckle on both leaders, pretty funny and some interesting points.



As an aside I have rederob on ignore (the first time I have done that on this forum). Tedious.
 

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The scary thing @moXJO is they are such elementary errors.

When someone talks about putting a tax on my super I don't forget in a hurry. It took me about one minute to find the ALP policy that busted Bill's believability.
 
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As an aside I have rederob on ignore (the first time I have done that on this forum). Tedious.
People who post baseless nonsense and get called out often go to ground.
Maybe nobody took you on before, for what you do so regularly in this forum.
The real irony is that this is about "evidence". You seldom offer it, and the evidence is available to all.

On topic, if the vote compass points as it does now, then the chestnut of "it's the economy, stupid" will experience electoral climate change.
 
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The scary thing @moXJO is they are such elementary errors.

When someone talks about putting a tax on my super I don't forget in a hurry. It took me about one minute to find the ALP policy that busted Bill's believability.

Hadn't Labor already announced these changes a long time ago ?

Couldn't Shorten have meant no changes beyond those already announced ?
 

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Hadn't Labor already announced these changes a long time ago ?

Couldn't Shorten have meant no changes beyond those already announced ?
He could have done. He could have said it that way too. But he didn't.

He said "We have no plans to increase taxes on superannuation"
 
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I will add a little balance to this.When Scomo was asked whether Dutton should apologise for his comments about his opponent's disabilities ,rather than find out the facts ,his visceral dishonest response was to say that Dutton was quoted out of context.
In my electorate we have an independent who should easily get back in again ,so this partisan argument has not got the same effect on me.I have and will support the independent.
Any party that will support a national ICAC should be looked on very favourably.Are the major parties frightened of this?
 

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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/o...n/news-story/7060b76a8dab992aa34a474b7b1941fb

Andrew Bolt: Bill Shorten’s climate stance is all pain without gain
Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
April 17, 2019 7:00pm

Bill Shorten is conning you: he is selling you a massive global warming policy without saying what it would cost and what it would do.

Huh? Would you consider buying even a toaster without knowing either the price or whether it works?

So why risk buying the Labor leader’s scheme to radically change how we power our businesses and homes?

Shorten’s con was exposed again this week, when Channel 10 journalist Jonathan Lea asked him five times to tell Australians the cost of his plan to slash the emissions Labor claims are heating the world dangerously.

Labor says it will cut those emissions by 45 per cent by 2030 — and not just from power stations but from the whole economy.

The costs will obviously be massive. Just the emissions cuts we’ve had so far have helped shut power stations and made your electricity expensive.

So how much more will Labor’s cuts cost?

Five times Shorten was asked on Tuesday and five times he refused to say. He was also asked several times on Wednesday and again wouldn’t answer.

He instead offered two red herrings.

The first is that “inaction on climate change is going to cost Australians in the future”.

False. As the Chief Scientists admits, nothing Australia does — even scrapping every car and factory — could make any measurable difference to the temperature. We’re too small.

So Labor’s plan won’t work.

Indeed, I’ve asked him what difference his policy would make to the temperature and he refuses to say that, either. He does not want you to know it’s all pain for no gain.

Shorten’s second fake answer on Wednesday was that the economy is “still going to grow” under Labor’s scheme.

Sure, the economy may still grow, but it will definitely grow slower.

Economist Brian Fisher of BAEconomics calculates in a peer-reviewed paper that Labor’s plan will cost the economy a cumulative $1000 billion by 2030, even with Labor allowing gassy Australian businesses to pay foreigners to cut their own emissions instead.

Power prices would jump another 75 per cent. Your wages would rise even slower.

That is a huge cost and all to make zero difference.

Doubt me? Then why won’t Shorten tell you either the cost of Labor’s global warming policy or the difference it would make to the temperature?

If you don’t know either the cost or the benefit, can you risk voting Labor?
 
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