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Why dont the authorities here do something instead of throwing it back at the police, perhaps they don't want to offend their mates in the grog pushing business, if they can do this in the UK why not here, their problem seems much the same as ours.


"""Britain to introduce minimum alcohol price

The British government will introduce a minimum price per unit of alcohol in England and Wales to tackle their infamous binge-drinking culture.

Prime minister David Cameron said a minimum price of around 40 pence ($0.60) per 10-millilitre unit of alcohol would help stop the "scourge of violence" caused by rowdy revellers in town centres and would cut alcohol-related deaths.

"Binge drinking isn't some fringe issue, it accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country," said Mr Cameron.

"The crime and violence it causes drains resources in our hospitals, generates mayhem on our streets and spreads fear in our communities."


The government, which also plans to ban supermarket multi-buy discounts and to introduce a "late-night levy" forcing pubs and nightclubs to contribute to policing costs, intends to consult on the proposals this summer.

Scotland is also considering introducing minimum alcohol pricing.

Excessive alcohol consumption costs Britain's National Health Service (NHS) around 2.7 billion pounds ($4.3 billion) a year, while the interior ministry estimates wider societal costs of around 21 billion pounds a year.

The government hopes a minimum price would discourage Britons from drinking cheap, shop-bought alcohol at home before heading out for the evening.

The drinks most affected would be strong cut-price ciders and super-strength lagers. A can of cider, containing four units of alcohol, equivalent to 40 millilitres, currently costs as little as 87 pence.

Retailers and drinks companies have strongly opposed the proposal, saying it would punish people who enjoy alcohol responsibly while failing to tackle binge drinking.

"It's simplistic to imagine a minimum price is some sort of silver bullet solution to irresponsible drinking," said Andrew Opie, food director of the British Retail Consortium.

Mr Cameron admitted the minimum pricing would not be "universally popular" but insisted it would not hurt pubs and nightclubs, whose drinks are already more expensive than the suggested minimum price per unit.

"In fact, pubs may benefit by making the cheap alternatives in supermarkets more expensive," he said.

A 2010 study of the European Union's 27 nations by pollsters Eurobarometer found that while the British are not the most regular drinkers, they drink the most in one sitting."""

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-23/britain-to-introduce-minimum-alcohol-price/3910056

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You are right Mr Burns. The alcopops taxs has helped to reduce binge drinking, but there it more that can be done. Taking grog out of supermarkets and requiring pubs to close at midnight would be a start.

Now watch the civil libertarians kick up a fuss.
 
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The Govt is hopeless at doing anything right, the bashings go on every weekend, they don't care and this might be the reason why.

"Binge drinking isn't some fringe issue, it accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country," said Mr Cameron.

If what Cameron says is true the drug..err grog pushers can't afford for binge drinking to stop.
 

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You are right Mr Burns. The alcopops taxs has helped to reduce binge drinking, but there it more that can be done. Taking grog out of supermarkets and requiring pubs to close at midnight would be a start.
1. Alcopops Tax: the kids just switched to buying bottles of spirits and mixing their own, in the process likely drinking more alcohol. This policy was far more about the government wishing to be seen to be 'doing something' than an actual practical measure.

2. There are hundreds of thousands of people on low incomes who enjoy a glass of wine with their dinner in the evening, or shock horror, even with friends of an afternoon. They can only afford cask wine which would apparently about quadruple in price if the per volume idea was introduced. Why should they be so penalised because of a small proportion of stupid kids who will abuse various substances as some sort of misguided rite of passage?
 
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Australia already has the most expensive and heavily taxed alcohol of any country on the planet. It's absurd to suggest raising taxes even further is the answer.
 
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It's not a small propertion any more Julia, it's way out of control.

I'm not suggesting a tax but they should be doing SOMETHING, if you can't be over .05 driving a car how come you can be roaring drunk out of control in public without penalty ?
They have to bring in new laws to prevent drunks being loose on the streets, not just wait till they kill someone then charge them, bit too late isnt it.

Imagine how pleasant things would be if grog abuse was taken off the streets.
 
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There are hundreds of thousands of people on low incomes who enjoy a glass of wine with their dinner in the evening, or shock horror, even with friends of an afternoon. They can only afford cask wine which would apparently about quadruple in price if the per volume idea was introduced.

They could start charging their friends for drinks, that's the capitalist way
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There are hundreds of thousands of people on low incomes who enjoy a glass of wine with their dinner in the evening, or shock horror, even with friends of an afternoon. They can only afford cask wine which would apparently about quadruple in price if the per volume idea was introduced.
testing.............working now, the web has been very very slow and glitchy for 2 days, might be just Telstra not sure.
 

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Seems to be working fine for me. Anyone else having trouble with the quote tags? :confused:
yeah I did
I couldn't post when using the quote tag on the Clive palmer thread so just used bold tags
 

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yeah I did
I couldn't post when using the quote tag on the Clive palmer thread so just used bold tags
A while ago I introduced a modification that won't allow posts to be submitted if the quote tags aren't closed correctly. I suspect this may be the problem.

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A while ago I introduced a modification that won't allow posts to be submitted if the quote tags aren't closed correctly. I suspect this may be the problem.

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No that wasnt the problem the page just didn't load for some reason, was a windows message about click here to diagnose the problem, which I never do as it never does.

Think it might have to do with the current problems

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1888566

Ok now though.
 

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When I was a teenager we went to dances in halls where there was no grog. We had six oclock closing and pubs were shut Sundays. It was an offence to be found with grog anywhere near a dance venue.

In fact if you were a bit unsteady on the feet girls would not dance with you.

Then came discos and licences to serve alcohol,

the rest is history and we're probably doomed. :(
 
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Wouldnt that be nice, pubs closed on a Sunday, weekdays close at 6pm :D LOL

Sadly, some people dont know when enough is enough, and business does make $$, just like this end of years Schoolies, thank God my kids didnt go - who started up this rubbish?

Education is the key like these ads on TV about role models, drink driving etc.
I often think the advertising should be stopped, just like they did with cigarettes.

BTW -- good to see you back Mr Burns
 
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I rarely drink, basically only when on holidays and even then not a huge amount.

But I don't for a minute think that "6 o'clock closing" or anything similar is the answer. Based on what I've seen, closing even one large nightclub only makes the problem worse, not better, since it simply shifts the drinking from licensed premises (where alcohol is relatively expensive) to private residences (where it is cheap).

It's the bottle shops which account for the majority of alcohol sales and they account for an even larger portion of "cheap" alcohol sold. Most people can't afford to get seriously drunk in a pub, and certainly not at a nightclub as it's just too expensive.
 

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It's not a small propertion any more Julia, it's way out of control.
Is it? Do you have some stats on % of the population that are violent drunks?

I'm not suggesting a tax but they should be doing SOMETHING,
I thought you were suggesting we follow what the UK is doing. That is a new tax.

Imagine how pleasant things would be if grog abuse was taken off the streets.
Well, perhaps I live in a completely unique part of Australia, but I never see anyone drunk in the street. But then I'm hardly frequenting booze filled nightclubs.

Wouldnt that be nice, pubs closed on a Sunday, weekdays close at 6pm :D LOL
I was surprised when I came here to live nearly 20 years ago to find pubs open on Sundays. They were, at least then, closed in NZ, though wine was sold in supermarkets which it isn't here in Qld.

Sadly, some people dont know when enough is enough, and business does make $$, just like this end of years Schoolies, thank God my kids didnt go - who started up this rubbish?
Yes, another undesirable ritual that I'd never heard of before coming here.
Just hideous and I'd be happy to see it wiped.

Education is the key like these ads on TV about role models, drink driving etc.
I often think the advertising should be stopped, just like they did with cigarettes.
Would you like to see all alcohol packaged in plain olive green containers, Tink?
Reckon that would help?:)

A while ago I introduced a modification that won't allow posts to be submitted if the quote tags aren't closed correctly. I suspect this may be the problem.

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Joe, I've found that modification works well. If one is responding to multiple parts of a quote it's quite easy to leave out a quote mark. The red reminder is good imo.
I've had no trouble with the quote tags not coming up as long as I've typed in all the necessary quote tags.

BTW -- good to see you back Mr Burns
Yep. Agree, though, Tink, Burnsie seems to have been a bit tarnished by those ABC lefties.:D
 
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Alcohol in Australia is expensive. Alcohol in the UK is cheap. I remember the local Tescos you could usually pick up a case of brand name beer for about GBP 15 which is about $23. If you went with a home brand versions, then you could usually get a pint can for under 40 pence. A 750ml bottle of Smirnoff Red was GBP 10. These were everyday prices, not specials. Prices are about double in Australia.
 
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Is it? Do you have some stats on % of the population that are violent drunks?

Yep. Agree, though, Tink, Burnsie seems to have been a bit tarnished by those ABC lefties.:D
The only stats I need Julia is on the news every few days , what every cop will tell you about what happens every weekend and the fact that medical staff at hospital emergency wards needs guards these days.

Naaa the ABC are gentile people as are you all, you should see the types on some motoring forums:eek:
 
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Alcohol in Australia is expensive. Alcohol in the UK is cheap. I remember the local Tescos you could usually pick up a case of brand name beer for about GBP 15 which is about $23. If you went with a home brand versions, then you could usually get a pint can for under 40 pence. A 750ml bottle of Smirnoff Red was GBP 10. These were everyday prices, not specials. Prices are about double in Australia.
I dont think it's the price it's the laws, you should not be allowed to wander the streets drunk, end of story, so change the licensing rules, licensees aren't supposed to serve drunks but's that all they do on weekends, why isn't that enforced ?
 

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