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50 Seconds of fire in the Jetstar A330 Flight Deck

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Solly, Jun 12, 2009.

  1. Solly

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    This incident could have had quite a serious outcome.

    "The flames disappeared after 50 seconds but there was no knowing whether it was properly out," Capt Banfield said.

    Naked flame is something you never want to see at altitude.

    Well done boys to bring the bird down safely and not a comfortable descent with a full-face mask.

    Will be interesting to see the ATSB prelim report.
    Maybe some HR at the window heater connections ??

    Story here.

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25623207-661,00.html
     
  2. Agentm

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    smoking in the cockpit was banned years ago, these guys just need to learn that throwing a butt out the window at altitude is pretty reckless.

    thankfully the jetstar plane did not have its oxygen filled by qantas, who like to fill emergency oxygen with nitrogen, and of course never keep any records of it!! when you have a nitrogen tank and its got a completely different hose you always just cut it off and attach an oxygen line to it,, its just part and parcel of how thorough qantas is!!

    modern planes are seemingly poorly built now, with designs to keep costs at a minimum. we are seeing the so called safest planes fall out of the sky regularly, be it icing of tubes or just the avionics sending the plane into fatal and unrecoverable dives into the earth. or you can save fuel by dialing in low thrust on the engines and live in hope that a headwind gets you over the fence..

    and dont lets get started on the indian/chinese scam of fake aircraft replacement parts thats been going on unabated for decades, using cheap and weak low grade steel and making a fortune off it.. how many airframe failures and engine failures have occurred because replacement engine parts being completely understrength and failed??

    keep buying those cheap seats and keep the industry looking for cheaper ways to operate, these opportunists are always available if you want to save a few dollars.. :D

    The accident caused no fatalities--unlike last month's crash of ValuJet Flight 592 into the Everglades. But in some ways, it was more ominous, because it highlights a safety issue that affects every carrier in the air: the growing stream of substandard or bogus parts that are finding their way into commercial aircraft. In a porous and underregulated market, the selling of substandard replacement parts for planes can be even more profitable than trafficking in illegal drugs. Bogus parts are fast becoming an underworld growth industry--and, many airline officials, FAA inspectors, and law-enforcement officers fear, a catastrophe waiting to happen.

    You will not find bogus parts listed as the cause of any accidents in the publicly available

    National Transportation Safety Board database. But that's not because they're not a problem. The FAA allegedly pressured the NTSB to stop listing bogus parts in its database as a possible cause of crashes, according to four independent sources: a senior FAA official, as well as sources in the Transportation Dept., the airline industry, and congressional staff. Instead, the category has been changed to the more innocuous-sounding ``unapproved parts.''
     
  3. Garpal Gumnut

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    It was probably due to a phenomenon called arcing.

    It has occurred in all types of aircraft.

    I do not think it is peculiar to Airbus.

    I witnessed it once as a cockpit passenger on a cargo 747 I was in.

    Scared the bejazoo out of one and all.


    Interesting to see the report when it comes out.


    gg
     
  4. Nyden

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    I just love the first assumption made by the media, "cheap foreign maintenance is to blame". Yeah, because only Australians are capable of maintaining aircraft ... When did foreign become a dirty word?
     
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    I also have NO problem with cheap foreign labour.
    Isnt the whole point of globalisation for each country to specialise in doing what they are most efficient???

    It wasn't that long ago when the Au$ was worth 50US cents.
    What did the americans do??? They moved their movie production on films such as 'The Matrix' and 'Star Wars' to Australia to take advantage of the CHEAP FOREIGN LABOUR.

    So does that mean that because there was once a time when we were cheap, those movies would have turned out better if they were made in the US and not Australia???? Nope

    This is just the unions looking after their own interests. In the long run we know that things like to reach as close a to a point of equilibrium. As the cheap foreign labour in Asia becomes more expensive, planes will one day be serviced in Africa.
     
  6. Solly

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    Gee agentm, I really hope your post was an attempt at satire. I know I'd rather be driving a modern B737 Next Gen than an old high cycle 200 classic. As for maintainence, mistakes are made both on and off shore nothing's perfect but there are very dedicated LAMEs everywhere keeping these flying kero tubes from making a big smoldering hole in the ground. Our systems and regs here are very sound.
     
  7. Sunder

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    I actually wonder if the part in question was even serviced by "cheap foreign labour".

    They make these claims, without any backing evidence, knowing that it will be remembered, but the official report will probably not mention it, meaning free political point scoring.
     
  8. Agentm

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    yep.. its a joke alright when a qantas lame sees a tube and its the wrong color because it nitrogen, they naturally think,, hey we need to change the color of that tube as it doesnt fit on the oxygen inlet.. we are dedicated to making safety our best concern.. so cut that tube and lets fill the oxygen with what ever is in that tank over there!! the guys on deck out there are taking a big risk on everyones lifes just for the sake of laziness and stupidity

    the use of fake engine and airframe parts is such big business now that noone, no matter how dedicated, can tell the difference, a lame will attach the part but the distributor can source it from anywhere, when you get a .50 cent part and sell it for a few hundred dollars and you get a $20 part and sell it for many thousands, then no one can do anything about it.

    as we rely on inspections of airframes, we have to believe all that can be seen is enough to keep us safe.. but is it?

    the runways of airports are regularly scrubbed for pieces of tyres and airframes come apart on take off and landing.. massive forces come through the body of these frames..

    The American terminology for such an incident is known as ?Things Falling Off Aircraft or TFOA?. The pilot must then submit a hazardous material (?HAZMAT?) report within 24 hours in case the material can cause further harm.

    What if the bolt fell into the ocean instead of somebody*s roof and was never found? Will Singapore Airlines ever notice that a bolt was missing in the first place?

    Yes, on arrival at Sydney, the engineer and pilot would check the plane during the external inspection. Even if they had overlooked a ?difficult to see? bolt that can affect the flight control, the item is checked again after the engines are started up or the defect would be shown in the cockpit if it had affected the selection of the component involved.

    In the Singapore Airlines incident, the airline stated that the dislodging of the bolt from the ?leading edge flaps? had not compromised the safety or performance of the plane. It was a good public relation response. Indeed, if the leading edge flaps were to be affected, it would only cause the plane to land at a slightly higher speed.

    Here are some more TFOA incidents:

    In August 2000, a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Boeing 747 was forced to make an emergency landing when some engine pieces plummeted to the ground and landed on a crowded Los Angeles beach

    On March 10, 2005, a couple taking a stroll through woodlands near Gatwick airport had a lucky escape when a door from a passing British Airways jet, crashed to earth. A part of the 70-pound door from a Boeing 777 had become dislodged just after take off and missed the couple by only 20 feet!

    On August 11, 2006, a door fell off from a TAM Fokker 100 from Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro. It dropped off 18 minutes after departure but the plane was able to return to Sao Paulo without incident. Nobody was injured.

    Other events occurring at various times:

    a. An engine exploded on a Japan Airlines flight bound for Tokyo with pieces of the engine falling on a neighborhood in Jakarta. The falling debris hurt no one but 16 homes were damaged.

    b. The right wheel of a Blue Panorama Airlines Boeing 737 fell off after it departed from an airport in Spain and was forced to make an unscheduled landing amid emergency in Rome.

    c. A similar incident happened near Los Angeles where an American Airlines Boeing 757 lost its right nose gear but managed to land safely with 105 passengers on board.

    d. A landing gear door fell off a Delta Airlines Boeing 727 shortly after the plane took off from Boston*s Logan International Airport. The 30-pound metal door crashed into an empty street in a quiet residential neighborhood.
     
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    Not just the planes at fault, what about the crew, a few years ago here in Perth a plane took off and two minutes later the front door come open, they could not dump fuel, so it had to fly around for about two hours with the door open b4 landing.
     
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