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  1. Smurf1976

    Smurf1976 Well-Known Member

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    At the present time I think it's pretty hard for the average person to work out what either of the two major parties really stands for. We can observe actions but what's the real objective?

    If the Liberals represent business and Labor represents workers then at least that's a logical opposing point of view from which to debate the issues and seek the support of voters. At the moment it all seems to be a tangled mess without any real direction, at least not one that's easily comprehended by the masses and that goes for all significant political parties. :2twocents
     
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    And how my dear friend can you compare North Korea with the USA?

    The lunatic leader of North Korea does not hesitate to assassinate members of his own family for speaking out of turn.

    Does that happen in the USA?

    Well, if you lefties ever get your way with a Australia becoming Republic you may well see a socialist dictator arise so, Rumpy just hope and pray that our West minster system remains in place for your peace of mind..
     
  3. SirRumpole

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    The Libs will never shake off their financial dependence on business but Labor should have the guts to distance themselves from the unions and become a broad based Party. Beazley tried to do it, Rudd tried to do it, but Gillard/Shorten undid their good work.

    Shorten is a union sucker. What's needed is a Bowen or some other without a significant union background to gain government, pass political funding laws limiting donations from organisations and have publicly funded politicians.

    Of course there will be an outcry from some ("I don't want my taxes going to xyz Party...") but that is the price we pay for belief that politicians are working for us, not Chevron or the CFMEU.
     
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    At the present time I think it's pretty hard for the average person to work out what either of the two major parties really stands for. We can observe actions but what's the real objective?

    If the Liberals represent business and Labor represents workers then at least that's a logical opposing point of view from which to debate the issues and seek the support of voters. At the moment it all seems to be a tangled mess without any real direction, at least not one that's easily comprehended by the masses and that goes for all significant political parties.

    As for revolts etc, all I can say there is that regardless of who wins the next election, they'll win only because voters thought the other side was worse. Neither of the two major parties seems able to really inspire the masses these days.

    We've slid a long way from the days of Keating versus Hewson promoting widespread public debate as to how taxation ought to work. Regardless of views on that issue or Labor versus Liberal generally, both had a message and at least got the mainstream population reasonably interested in and thinking about a subject most wouldn't normally think about at all. We've slipped a long way since those days. :2twocents
     
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    Smurf I don't believe the modern Labor Party has there heart in representing the workers when you consider what they did to the workers of Chiquita, Clean Event, Coles and KFC and maybe others whom we have not heard about....Labor is only interested in filling their coffers with bribe money extracted form business.

    Whist I am no fan of Malcolmn Turnbull, the Liberal Party in attempting to assist small business in hard times, it also has the interest of workers in obtaining employment.

    Can you say with hand on heart that the Andrews government in Victoria has the interest of workers with their crazy policy on renewable energy and how many workers will lose their jobs as a result....Industry needs cheap and reliable energy to stay in business and Andrews is hell bent on destroying industry like Alcao who employ some 500 workers.....
     
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    CanOz Every day above ground is a stellar day!

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    I finally found a couple of things that make me really angry:

    1.) In woolies today for some stuff, saw an offer for a two pack of paper towels for $2. I buy them. Get them home and they charged me $5.25:furious:

    2.) Been trying to roll over my super to my SMSF, Mercer send an email to me asking me to indicate how much i want to transfer, i'm sure i already indicated that....then i have to mail the letter back, i can't scan it and email it. So they proceeed to send me another email ater they get that one back, asking me to provide MORE ID, i already provided two peices more than they specified.....it seems to me that when you want you money back from brokers or fund managers, thier mandate is HANG ON TO HIS MONEY AS LONG AS YOU CAN!!:banghead:
     
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    People who are slow and/or incompetent drivers.

    Actually, just people in general. So much stupidity. I'm constantly saying WTF in my head, all day every day at different people.
     
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    My missus, checks the docket, as soon as she moves from the checkout, at all shops. It is amazing how many make mistakes.
    I don't check and get #itch slapped for not checking, don't look to me for sympathy.:cry:
     
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    The $6m Nurofen fine makes me angry.

    Nurofen are fined for some less than ideal packaging, but it basically did as advertised. What really p!sses me off is most large shopping centres I walk though have a shop dedicated to this Bioflow bullsh!t:mad::mad::mad::mad:

    How are there this many stores selling magnets

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  10. Smurf1976

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    I was being hypothetical there. Probably should have explained it a bit differently. :)

    My point is that if Labor did indeed represent the workers and the Liberal party represents business then that's a fairly reasonable and logical opposing viewpoint from which to debate whatever the issues of the day happen to be with the two main sides of our economy, capital and labour, both having their representatives.

    In practice though I agree that Labor has moved a long way away from their original objective and I'd argue that the Liberals have done something broadly similar. No longer does Labor really represent the average worker. I'd argue that the Liberals aren't really doing much for most businesses either, a few big ones yes but not a lot for the rest.

    I think both major parties have lost focus in terms of what their actual objectives are. They get bogged down in detail but seem to not have any overall plan for what they want to achieve.

    A year or so ago the Tas state government (Liberal) decided that they needed to cut numbers in the public service. OK so far, they need to balance the budget so I'm not opposed to cuts in the PS in principle if that's the sensible thing to do in order to reduce costs. Trouble is they gave direction to department heads to the effect that cost was no objective and that the cuts must be achieved regardless of the cost of doing so. So we've ended up with things like getting rid of a worker earning $X and spending far more than that, each and every year into the future, in order to do so. Spend $1 to save 50c etc. That comes about because they're replaced those workers with highly paid consultants, in a few cases doing FIFO from Melbourne. OK, we're all the one country and I've nothing against anyone in Victoria seeking work in another state but spending more money in order to put local people out of work in the state you're supposed to be representing isn't my idea of good government. If it was saving money then maybe OK, but not when it's costing more.

    Whilst it's a Liberal government, I'd be equally critical if it were Labor or anyone else doing the same thing as it's simply a waste of my taxes to be pursuing an ideology of cutting PS numbers for the sake of it even if doing so costs more than it saves. Meanwhile they've given remaining public servants a pay rise. Go figure. No prizes for guessing that if you dig into the budget papers there's still a huge deficit which has been shuffled into the future rather than being fixed.

    That sort of thing makes me seriously angry with the standard of politicians we've got these days and I'd be saying the exact same thing no matter which party was in power if they made decisions like that.

    For the record, the previous government down here (Labor-Green) wasn't much good with money either. "Took some hay out of the barn" in their words - trouble is they took the whole damn lot and then some.

    Looking back at state politics over the past 20 or so years, we've really only had one premier (Jim Bacon 1998 - 2004) who seemed to be much good when it came to managing money. Good enough that even the business lobby groups were publicly backing Labor in that era, an interesting situation in itself having business on side given that Jim was a former union man.

    I don't really care which side of politics is in government, I just want them to make decisions rationally based on facts rather than pursuing ideology. Nationally and in most (all?) states we've thrown away massive opportunities over the years due to game playing and short termism by all sides of politics and that makes me more angry than just about anything else.

    If we'd taken even half those opportunities then at a country we wouldn't now be faced with things like inadequate funding for hospitals, declining infrastructure and so on. We've thrown away a fortune and are now crying poor as a result. Not good. :2twocents
     
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    It has taken me a rather long time, really only coming to grips with it now, to accept that there's a large number of people (the majority?) who simply can't or won't think ahead. Do A and B now and that will result in C. No rocket science there but they go ahead and do A + B and then wonder how to deal with the crisis when C, the inevitable and entirely foreseeable result, occurs because of their previous decisions.

    That sort of non-thinking seems to be so common these days that anyone who does join the dots and realises that "C" will indeed occur finds difficulty getting their point accepted. That's until the inevitable happens and then it's all "nobody could have known...." and so on despite being obvious right from the start what would happen if only people were willing to think.

    Chance and probability are concepts that few understand it seems. Do A + B and there's a 70% chance that C will be the ultimate result. If C is bad and has no easy fix then logically you wouldn't do A + B in the first place and would find some alternative that didn't have a 70% chance of ending in disaster. Not many are able to think like that it seems. :2twocents
     
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    Could I reduce that to a few words ?

    THERE ARE TOO MANY BOGANS IN THIS COUNTRY !!!
     
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    and bogan politicians as athe result of mandatory voting
    the curse of this country
     
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    SirRumpole Well-Known Member

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    Frankly I don't think most people vote with their heads, they vote with their hip pockets or with their prejudices.

    A bit of critical analysis would soon tell people that Pauline Hanson offers nothing but bigotry and looney candidates but she now has four seats in the Senate from protest votes. I wonder if the USA actually wanted Trump to be president or did they just want to register their dissatisfaction with the status quo.

    That's the problem with protest votes you might get what you don't really want.
     
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    What is sticking in my craw at the moment is all the leftist crap about popular votes and the electoral college in the US election. It shouldn't really concern us here, but as it keeps getting shoved in my face:

    It would behoove these whingers to understand that the US is a Federation, like Australia, a conglomeration of independent </cough> states. They should also read the constitution, which details the system and makes clear the reasoning behind it.

    Then they could analyse the source of this majority and the political/strategic reasons it happened.

    Then they could do us all a favour and STFU and realise they F###ing lost.
     
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    Chris Bowen is a Fabian and the Fabian Society is communism.
     
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    Yes the Bogan's are mostly in the Parliament, love left and right.

    They are going to waste 50 billion on submarines which in war are obsolete. Robotic Drones are the technology today.

    And the fibre network, notice that useless ALP member that pushed it got out, is obsolete now, our new4g phones can do all we want.

    This world's people and particularly the polititian's no longer think. But that is because they got top marks for rithmatic and spellin but learnt nothing about sociology. Music and art starts this off but can only really discuss this with an open thinker using brains.
     
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    I don't agree that fibre is obsolete but I'm seriously considering not connecting.

    4G mobile already has enough data for everything I'll use except video streaming. And I'm not going to pay somewhere around $1K a year (NBN + a service such as Netflix) just to watch movies. Cheaper to go to the cinema and see them on a bigger screen.

    Others will differ though, it really depends on personal usage volumes.
     
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