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  1. SirRumpole

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    I guess you can believe what you like, but as they say you are dreaming.

    After the Peta Credlin 'affair' , people will never vote for Abbott again.

    The way he let someone else run him and order him around shows that he has no management ability whatever, no spine or the ability to make his own decisions.

    He's dead political meat but unfortunately some still think he can make a comeback. That says volumes for the state of politics on both sides and why people are turning to alternatives like Hanson or Xenephon.

    Neither Abbott, Turnbull or Shorten are the future. Turnbull and Shorten will probably fight out the next election as weak as they are unless there is a major scandal. Maybe the pollie perks fiasco is just another small step on the way to the further discreditation of a corrupt system on both sides and perhaps new leaders will emerge from the ashes.
     
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    Funny you say that, when Gillard and the media, were painting him out to be a male sexist pig.

    Bit ironic really.lol

    The reality is Abbott, would do a Trump, that's why Hanson and Xenophon are now in the headlights of the media.
    Have you noticed how much attention Fairfax are giving Hanson.lol
     
  3. SirRumpole

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    Just another nail in his political coffin. He's unelectable. Period.

    As for doing a Trump, our electoral system is much different to that of the US. There are more choices than just two people. The far Right is a splinter group here and people don't like what they see in it, which is why 'Mediscare' hit home.
     
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    Basically Australia needs to expand rapidly. For the size of country the population needs to quadruple. That in itself would help when considering the populations of America and Europe. The oncoming power rush by China and expansion of India make the Aussie outfit look rather small and scrawny. So the Turnbull Government or any other Government needs to get its act together. If you asked anyone in Britain who is Prime Minister of Australia, few would know and even worse, even fewer care. Maybe there is a need to have someone who is a good strong personality.

    Maybe a PM should have a Twitter account and make outrageous statements. All he or she needs to do is make a list of the tweets on 'The Donalds' Twitter account and follow the same flow.

    Australia is a great big country with amazing prospects but so many seem to suffer from inward thinking.
     
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    Apparently the third 's' in the name was added accoring to numerology.

    Pilots have to keep up their flying hours to retain their accreditation. It seems taxpayers have been shouting the aircraft hire for Ley. It's really too bad. Sam Dastyari was held to account, and so too should Sussan Ley.
     
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    Don't forget compulsory voting. That keeps things more centred. Trump won with 25% of the voting age population.
     
  7. noco

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    MEDISCARE???????????One of the greatest political lies ever put out by the Green/Labor left wing Fabian coalition....As Richo once said, " WHAT EVER IT TAKES".

    Only the naive believed Shorten with his GREAT MEDISCARE.

    The people with brains realized nobody would buy Medicare when the intake was $11 billion and the outgoings are $23 billion.....But of course most of us know there are not too many brains in the Labor Party...All ex union hacks who only know how to do dirty deals.
     
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  10. noco

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    No problem.

    Opinion: Malcolm Turnbull should tear up Paris Agreement on renewable energy targets
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    THE reason some Liberals and journalists insist that Tony Abbott can’t come back is not because they think he’d be no good, but because they can’t bear to admit they were wrong.

    Wrong that Malcolm Turnbull would be a better prime minister than Abbott. He isn’t. Wrong that Turnbull would win more seats than Abbott would have at the last election. He didn’t. Wrong to stoop as low as Labor and tear down their own leader. Wrong to freak out Liberal “bed-wetters” by exaggerating Abbott’s weaknesses and downplaying his strengths.

    Onions and knighthoods are trivial; stopping boats, cutting expenditure and fighting Islamism are not.

    Wrong to denigrate Abbott’s chief of staff Peta Credlin. Most CEOs would give their right hand for such talent. Wrong to buy the line that Turnbull has an economic narrative to sell. He doesn’t.

    So instead of admitting they were wrong on all these fronts and admitting that Abbott should have had their full support to complete his first term, including making the inevitable mistakes a new prime minister makes, they compound their initial error by refusing to countenance his return. They are wrong again.

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    Abbott was made prime minister by the Australian public in 2013 in a landslide because he was viewed, rightly, as the only leader at the time capable of securing our borders. Which he did. Is there another scenario where Abbott might be the only leader capable of taking firm action?

    Although Turnbull has kept the boats stopped, is starting to make the right noises on Islamic terrorism and appears to be prepared to tackle MPs expenses, there is one issue where he and his team have made a colossal blunder. And that’s on climate change and our relationship with the White House.

    The election of Donald Trump blindsided Team Turnbull. They were so cocksure about a Clinton win that in September, when Malcolm made his grand entrance at the UN in New York, he didn’t even bother to make contact with Trump – the Republican nominee for the White House. Big mistake.

    Then, displaying the most breathtaking arrogance, within a few hours of Trump’s victory, Turnbull and Julie Bishop ratified the Paris Agreement on renewable energy targets. An even bigger mistake. This is the deal that Trump has said he will “tear up” because it threatens US economic prosperity. And ours.

    Turnbull’s chief scientist Alan Finkel admits we will never meet the Paris targets without a significant economic impact. He wants an emissions scheme. Better just to scrap the targets.

    Otherwise, as ideological basket cases like South Australia and Victoria blow up their own coal power stations, taxpayers and businesses can look forward to a bleak future of unreliable electricity and skyrocketing bills.

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    Increasingly, the elderly and poor won’t be able to afford airconditioning or heating and shops will be chucking out hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of goods every blackout. In one blackout SA businesses lost $367 million. So much for “jobs and growth”! The public will not quickly forgive those Labor premiers who have wantonly vandalised our cheap energy.

    If Trump does tear up the Paris Agreement, 2017 will be the year the climate con ends. The alternative is: Are you prepared to see everyday Aussies pay much higher electricity bills for no tangible environmental benefit?

    Those politicians who are honest about climate change admit there is nothing we can do to reduce global emissions in any meaningful way. Will conservative Liberals happily sit by while One Nation steals their seats by telling this truth?

    At some point, we are going to have to change direction on renewable energy policy; abandon the Paris targets and focus on growing our economy through every means possible, particularly using what has always been our natural advantage – cheap coal.

    Although Turnbull claims he wants reliable, affordable energy, is he prepared to tear up the Paris Agreement? If Trump does, and Turnbull refuses to, we will deliberately be impoverishing ourselves while America gets richer. That way lies madness. And the end of Turnbull’s leadership.

    Abbott certainly made mistakes in his first term, but since being dumped he has shown a willingness to own up to, and correct those errors.

    When Australia is finally forced to abandon the climate change/renewables farce, being the PM who scrapped the carbon tax will look pretty good on your leadership CV.
     
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    Opinion: Malcolm Turnbull should tear up Paris Agreement on renewable energy targets
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    Rowan Dean, The Courier-Mail
    January 12, 2017 6:08am
    Subscriber only
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    THE reason some Liberals and journalists insist that Tony Abbott can’t come back is not because they think he’d be no good, but because they can’t bear to admit they were wrong.

    Wrong that Malcolm Turnbull would be a better prime minister than Abbott. He isn’t. Wrong that Turnbull would win more seats than Abbott would have at the last election. He didn’t. Wrong to stoop as low as Labor and tear down their own leader. Wrong to freak out Liberal “bed-wetters” by exaggerating Abbott’s weaknesses and downplaying his strengths.

    Onions and knighthoods are trivial; stopping boats, cutting expenditure and fighting Islamism are not.

    Wrong to denigrate Abbott’s chief of staff Peta Credlin. Most CEOs would give their right hand for such talent. Wrong to buy the line that Turnbull has an economic narrative to sell. He doesn’t.

    So instead of admitting they were wrong on all these fronts and admitting that Abbott should have had their full support to complete his first term, including making the inevitable mistakes a new prime minister makes, they compound their initial error by refusing to countenance his return. They are wrong again.

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    China to plow $360 billion into renewable fuel by 2020
    Abbott was made prime minister by the Australian public in 2013 in a landslide because he was viewed, rightly, as the only leader at the time capable of securing our borders. Which he did. Is there another scenario where Abbott might be the only leader capable of taking firm action?

    Although Turnbull has kept the boats stopped, is starting to make the right noises on Islamic terrorism and appears to be prepared to tackle MPs expenses, there is one issue where he and his team have made a colossal blunder. And that’s on climate change and our relationship with the White House.

    The election of Donald Trump blindsided Team Turnbull. They were so cocksure about a Clinton win that in September, when Malcolm made his grand entrance at the UN in New York, he didn’t even bother to make contact with Trump – the Republican nominee for the White House. Big mistake.

    Then, displaying the most breathtaking arrogance, within a few hours of Trump’s victory, Turnbull and Julie Bishop ratified the Paris Agreement on renewable energy targets. An even bigger mistake. This is the deal that Trump has said he will “tear up” because it threatens US economic prosperity. And ours.

    Turnbull’s chief scientist Alan Finkel admits we will never meet the Paris targets without a significant economic impact. He wants an emissions scheme. Better just to scrap the targets.

    Otherwise, as ideological basket cases like South Australia and Victoria blow up their own coal power stations, taxpayers and businesses can look forward to a bleak future of unreliable electricity and skyrocketing bills.

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    Increasingly, the elderly and poor won’t be able to afford airconditioning or heating and shops will be chucking out hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of goods every blackout. In one blackout SA businesses lost $367 million. So much for “jobs and growth”! The public will not quickly forgive those Labor premiers who have wantonly vandalised our cheap energy.

    If Trump does tear up the Paris Agreement, 2017 will be the year the climate con ends. The alternative is: Are you prepared to see everyday Aussies pay much higher electricity bills for no tangible environmental benefit?

    Those politicians who are honest about climate change admit there is nothing we can do to reduce global emissions in any meaningful way. Will conservative Liberals happily sit by while One Nation steals their seats by telling this truth?

    At some point, we are going to have to change direction on renewable energy policy; abandon the Paris targets and focus on growing our economy through every means possible, particularly using what has always been our natural advantage – cheap coal.

    Although Turnbull claims he wants reliable, affordable energy, is he prepared to tear up the Paris Agreement? If Trump does, and Turnbull refuses to, we will deliberately be impoverishing ourselves while America gets richer. That way lies madness. And the end of Turnbull’s leadership.

    Abbott certainly made mistakes in his first term, but since being dumped he has shown a willingness to own up to, and correct those errors.

    When Australia is finally forced to abandon the climate change/renewables farce, being the PM who scrapped the carbon tax will look pretty good on your leadership CV.
     
  12. SirRumpole

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    Self delusion is rife among Abbott supporters.

    The only reason the Libs squeaked back in is that Abbott was deposed. If he was leader at the last election the Libs would be toast. I really don't see how any intelligent person would think that Abbott is anything like acceptable to the public any more.
     
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    And smiles all around amongst the Fabians...We are all now so happy little Vegemites....Halal approved of course........BORING...BORING..BORING...Give it a break Rumpy, that was old news this morning......Have you been asleep at the wheel?

    But as I stated previously if she, as have so many Labor MPs have been caught out before, then she deserves all that is coming to her....Don't think she will go to jail like Eddie Obieb though.
     
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    If she goes to jail she'll claim the travel & accommodation expenses and maybe even get some frequent flyer points. lol
     
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    I think your nuts are getting hold of your brain......I think people on this forum expect better debate than that.

    But as they say, there has to be clown in every circus.
     
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    500 clowns out of work and you wanna be one?

    Have a look at your first sentence and show us this quality debate you demand of others noco.

    Then get yourself a sense of humour :)
     
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    Well. you deserved it......It was showing up your juvenile mirth which did not lend to the debate....It was a complete match.

    500 clowns out of work.....Are they ones about to lose their jobs as a result of Danial Andrews closing down Hazelwood power station?

    At least I don't get angry......When anger arises, think of the consequences
     
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    What a hilarious load of garbage. Juvenile mirth says more about your posts than mine. No one deserves that.

    Daniel Andrews closing down Hazelwood power station? That what happens when Liberal parties privatise infrastructure.

    Clearly you have no idea. The more you post the more stupid you look.
     
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    I think you should clear your head and look at the real reason why Hazelwood Power station will be blown up....You know what the real reason is and if you don't then you are dumber than I thought you were.

    It is the stupid policy of Andrews and Weatherill who have gone overboard with this renewable energy crap....You just cannot turn on and turn off a base load coal fired power station when the Sun don't shine and the wind don't blow so they have made them nonviable to operate....Do you really understand how a coal fired power station operates?...On top of that Andrews increased the royalties on coal in Victoria 3 fold so what chance did they have?.

    Time will tell very soon how power in SA is constantly disrupted and how the price of power will rise making more business in SA nonviable.......Weatherill is suggesting business install there own generators which as we all know will expose more gases into the atmosphere and defeating the purpose of their own renewable energy policy to save the Earth from CO2......Those two Labor clowns just don't know what they are doing and both of them will out on their ears at the next state election.
     
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