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  1. MrBurns

    MrBurns Well-Known Member

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    Thought this deserved it's own thread.

    The following is from another forum, this guy has done a lot of research and probably knows more than many doctors, in fact I'm sure of it.


     
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    MrBurns Well-Known Member

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    Update -

    STATIN NATION:

     
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    Statins currently show an evidence base for certain indications.

    However, from the relatively simple understanding I have about them, it would be quite difficult to mount a decent cost-benefit analysis (but really, take a look at oncology and see where loads of money is spent for relatively limited gain).

    Health economics is really thrown out the window when individual stories come into the picture and this is promoted by the media.

    Full cost benefits should be performed, and I am sure that primary prevention, education and incentives to follow up on these would be better as a population approach, the problem is it will probably not happen in my lifetime.

    So even though there is possibly some truth in the first post, I will not bother to read the link, as it will probably just be in some kind of reference that the absolute risk reduction is very small, and it costs a fortune to achieve this, then again, I am probably wrong :)

    MW
     
  4. sydboy007

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    Since I hit 40 last year I started buying a big bottle of plant sterol tablets from Vitacost in the USA.

    Bascially it's the same stuff they have in the expensive margarines to help lower cholesterol.

    When I did a checkup a few months later and got my results the nurse was quite surprised at my VERY high level of good Cholesterol. I had a higher bad cholesterol too, but she said the ratio was on the very good side of things. From what she said my level of 1.8 for the good was way higher than for most men who are lucky to get to 1.

    I don't drink a lot, never smoked, exercise pretty much every day, so I'm hopping these cheap tablets will help to keep me from keeling over from blocked arteries or some other heart issue.
     
  5. Longjaw

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    I have never smoked nor am I a heavy drinker (until I joined this forum :D ) ,I never use butter or margarine on my bread,I believe anything that is packaged is bad for me (processed) and I try to eat and drink only natural items,like water,fruits and vegetables,fish,eggs etc.

    I am an avid follower of the "Fat sick and nearly dead" detox and last year before my surgery I utilized this detox and feel it was a great benefit to my health and is worth a look into to reduce cholesterol naturally without tablets.
    One has to be careful they are not sucked into the sheep following involved into these "Good for you tablets"

    I have had a brother and sister die in my arms that with the information I now possess could have saved their lives,makes me feel a bit stupid I didn't acquire this knowledge earlier.
     
  6. motorway

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    Cholesterol is a sterol ( animal ) . Plant sterols are a sterol ( plant ).

    Sterols getting into the artery wall is the event that can cause atherosclerosis.

    When you get a cholesterol test they only measure cholesterol ( animal sterol ) .
    Unless you get a special test you can not be sure if you have high levels of plant sterols in your blood.

    Plant sterols lower cholesterol levels by competing for absorption.

    They also can cause poor absorption of certain vitamins.

    I would be careful , the little amounts in real foods seem beneficial ( nuts etc , olive oil )
    But as a supplement or as a "functional food" , the levels need to lower cholesterol , are way above the levels of natural intakes . plant sterols are for plants , cholesterol is for Humans , without cholesterol you die .


    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/fm/flp/2008/00000003/00000003/art00009
     
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    motorway Well-Known Member

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    Please watch the video
    Please read ( it is a good summation of where the science is )

    The levels of cholesterol LDL-C what is measured is a poor maker for any individual .
    BUT works as an average at a population level.

    Why ? Because what matters is the number of cholesterol particles.This is not the same thing as Cholesterol levels.

    Eg very low LDL-c ,but very high LDL particles


    LDL particles (LDL-P), not LDL cholesterol content (LDL-C), is what drives sterols into artery walls ”“ Don’t confuse the “number of cars ” with the “number of passengers.”

    You want to start to know your risk in Australia ?

    you can not do an LDL-P Test in Australia.

    But you can measure measure Apo B (= LDL-particles ) and Apo A-1 ( = HDL particles )
    And the ratio of ApoB to ApoA-1

    The Triglyceride level is very important too .


    http://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-why-everyone-should-know-their-ldl-particle-number

    More detail

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-...things-you-need-to-know-part-1/#axzz2Rjrocjtf

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-...things-you-need-to-know-part-2/#axzz2Rjrocjtf


     
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    motorway Well-Known Member

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    This really addresses what matters.

     
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  9. Intrinsic Value

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    Statins are the biggest con that have generated billions for big Pharma.

    If you don't have CVD which is 75 percent of people who take statins then all the current research says that you derive no benefit from statins. What you get is a bunch of nasty side effects including: liver problems, diabetes, parkinsons, cancer etc

    Caveat Emptor
     
  10. Garpal Gumnut

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    The answer is a daily diet of.

    One Aspirin

    A reasonable modicum of grog

    A reasonable modicum of sex

    and


    sardines.jpg

    gg
     
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    I would suggest changing the order so that the sex is before the grog.
     
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    And the Sardines??

    gg
     
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    After the sex too, unless they contain some of the purported qualities of oysters.
     
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    This thread is getting fishy :D

    joke aside, thanks for the info, I will dig into it.
     
  15. MrBurns

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    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/2...as-many-calories-at-subway-as-mcdonalds-study
     
  16. Intrinsic Value

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    I think that study is very favourable to Maccas and doesnt in any way reveal the truth behind the meal types.

    It all depends what you pick at subway as to the salt level and meat level. If you are getting a wholemeal roll with say roast chicken and salad and a bottle of water how is that not way superior to anything that Maccas has to offer.

    Further calories is not the whole story in any case. It is the type of food eaten. Maccas has deep fried chips and highly sugared soft drinks that have a lot of other adverse health effects.

    I dont buy it at all. If you picked a subway meat lovers white roll with cheese then it might be comparable to a Maccas hamburger but then you still dont have the chips and soft drinks.
     
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    "Dis-moi ce que tu manges, je te dirai ce que tu es." [Tell me what you eat and I will tell you what you are].
    Anthelme Brillat-Savarin. Physiologie du Gout, ou Meditations de Gastronomie Transcendante, 1826

    Genetics have the biggest impact. Mine are poor re CHD. And despite 30 years of careful eating etc, I have CHD (slightly) higher than what would be expected for my age . Funny side of it was the cardiologist seemed surprised & I wasn't. I take but remain wary about statins.

    I am reading "The Ominovore's dilemma" by Michael Pollan. Interesting read for someone from a farm and in the food industry. About the food chains and what we eat. Worth a read.
     
  19. CanOz

    CanOz Every day above ground is a stellar day!

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    Did you watch Food Inc.? Makes fries seem like a health food, relatively speaking of course!
     
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    No I haven't. from a preservative, minimal processing POV fries are quite unprocessed, aren't they. We eat oven fries only and their fat content is around the same as regular milk. No-one says avoid regular milk because it'll kill you...
     
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