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Discussion in 'Brokers' started by wat17, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. wat17

    wat17 Formerly known as 'tomwato'

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    Looking at getting back into CFDs. New system and trading plan to try out.

    Anyone else on the block worth trying? I have used IG Markets and CMC Markets in the past. Used them years ago so not sure if they are still good or not.

    I will be buying CFDs in the S&P/ASX200 and the All Ordinaries.

    Cheers
     
  2. oneagainstthem

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    I've tried them all for over 12yrs, here and in the UK. I have found FP Markets a very helpful honest bunch and I'm still with them, I had major problems with CMC, IG and Halifax whom I had accounts with,and traded very heavily with, until I caught them all dealing from the bottom of the deck in one way or another, they've got more tricks up their sleeve than a Las Vegas conman. Most of the CFD providers are great to speak to before you open an account,that's their job isn't it !! then they set the dogs on you,read their PDS very carefully before you open any account, it pretty much informs you that they will try their utmost to fleece you, and they usually get away with it because they forewarn you that they are going to do it,that's their get out clause when you make a complaint against them. Check out the FOS website and you will see how many clients have issued complaints against these companies and I can tell you for a fact that not many cases are ever ruled in the clients favour, it's pretty one sided contest. One last tip, write down all the questions that you would like answers too RE; the account and tell them that you would like a recording of the phone calls that you had with them regarding opening an account,or at least get them to email what was discussed, then you will have some proof if you have to make a formal complaint against them. I wish you well with the new system and good luck.
     
  3. wat17

    wat17 Formerly known as 'tomwato'

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    Thanks. Will have a look at FP Markets.

    Also came across GFT. They offer a better spread on Aussie200 of 0.5 compared to IG Markets at 1.0. Previous threads seem to have mixed opinions.
     
  4. cynic

    cynic Well-Known Member

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    I've had past experience trading OTC CFD's with two of the six providers mentioned in the following press release:

    http://www.cmcmarkets.com.au/sites/public.au/files/primary-page/australian_cfd_providers_to_form_industry_body_final.pdf

    I experienced considerable angst when trading with one of these providers. My repeated attempts to negotiate a more accommodative business relationship failed. I am reasonably satisfied (to date) with the conduct of my other provider (through whom I am currently trading), but am somewhat nervous about their participation within the same forum.

    After reading oneagainstthem's post, I decided to make a preliminary enquiry of FP Markets, and was delightfully surprised to hear that they have a very accommodative margin call policy and claim to never profit from client's losses, so I will be giving them serious consideration when deciding which provider to utilise for next financial year.
     
  5. wat17

    wat17 Formerly known as 'tomwato'

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    I think I will do the trials runs with GFT, IG then FP and see how I go.

    GFT (MM) and IG (MM+DMA) run the spreads, while FP (DMA) charges commission. Interesting to see which one will work out to be better off for the trade sizes I am doing. CMC is pretty much off my radar.

    Seem to be hearing fairly good thinks about FP Markets.
     
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    AlterEgo Well-Known Member

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    No, with DMA you can trade any stock listed on the ASX. Prices, market depth, spread, etc are absolutely identical to the ASX.
     
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    skc Well-Known Member

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    DMA = Direct Market Access. Doesn't mean you get to trade every stock - you are still only able to trade stocks made available by your CFD provider. The rest is correct.
     
  9. AlterEgo

    AlterEgo Well-Known Member

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    It does for me - at least I've never found one that I couldn't trade, and I trade a lot of the small spec stuff. Maybe other providors are different, but mine (FP Markets) appears to allow trading in everything on the exchange.
     
  10. skc

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    Yes it depends on the provider - just wanted to clarify to the OP that that is not what DMA means.

    With IG if you call up they will usually let you trade anything on the long side as well. The short side is obviously different.

    But with the specie stuff they will look for 100% margin. So they charge you interest on full position value even though you've put up the full value. So if you are holding overnight it's not a particularly good deal. But with day trading it's nice to be able to trade everything with the same provider on the same platform etc etc.
     
  11. AlterEgo

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    Yes, on the specie stuff you're paying interest on the full position, although they have lower commissions than buying the actual stocks, so that tends to offset the extra that you're paying in interest, for short term trades anyway.

    And I can trade actual shares on the same platform anyway, so can choose which to trade depending on expected trading time-frame and margin requirements.
     
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  14. CanOz

    CanOz Every day above ground is a stellar day!

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    I'm now with IG Markets and FXCM. I still have an account with FP Markets but i am having difficulty getting my funds returned. They really don't like giving the money back do they??? I wonder why, do they have some policy where you must retain the clients funds for as long as possible no matter what?

    When i had an account with IG in the past, it was very simple to get the funds back. Same as IB, just withdrawel the funds. You have to wonder what motivates a broker to want to be difficult in refunding clients money....really drives me crazy.:frown:

    I'm not happy with FP Markets and i will not be recommending them to anyone.
     
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    Thanks for that CanOz. As you probably already know, these days I am constantly on the lookout for better providers and was intending to test FP this year. Your timely post has very likely spared me some additional torment.

    The most challenging task of the retail trader, these days, seems to be finding the best of a rotten lot and hoping they don't change ownership or go under! As if markets weren't already difficult enough!
     
  16. CanOz

    CanOz Every day above ground is a stellar day!

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    They keep saying my account to export the funds to must be the same account that the original funds came from, and 'am i sure i am the same person' lol:banghead:
     
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    Not that the customer service has been good for me, but overall I haven't had any issues getting my money back.
    What's the deal? Just taking too long?
    Normally when I withdraw it says it will "be dealt with within 2 business days"...but usually I have the funds before that deadline.
     
  18. CanOz

    CanOz Every day above ground is a stellar day!

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    My account name is a custom name, not my full name. Thats the hitch apparently. I just think they like to stall.
     
  19. cynic

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    One of the problems I've been encountering, is that when I catch a provider out in one of their dirty little tricks, they always insist it was a technical error and therefore not deliberate.

    It's curious how these genuine technical errors somehow always manage to work against (rather than for) the favour of the customer.
     
  20. CanOz

    CanOz Every day above ground is a stellar day!

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    Yeah i mean this industry is not one of saints and anything other than IB seem to be the bottom of the barrel. I mean the real market is bad enough for dirty tricks and bad habits!
     
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