International Index Trading

**Uncle Festivus** · 15th-May-2007 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by nizar

LOL yeh of course i do.
Just keeping you on your toes

Ah you jokester you.

**x2rider** · 15th-May-2007 11:31 PM

Well I am in the same boat as Can. I went out and put some shorts on gold just before I left. And got a txt to say they had been actioned.
But wasn't all that happy when I came home to see that

Just can't seem to get a handle on it at the moment. I hope it tanks big time now

Cheers martin

**>Apocalypto<** · 15th-May-2007 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by CanOz

hmmmm...mental note to use EOD stops on GOLD.

Cheers,

Gotta love stops damned if you don't and sometimes damned if you do!

I remember i had a stop on RIO price dropped 1 cent into my stop then shot 70 cents straight back up.

I was rather angry

then just laughed

**>Apocalypto<** · 15th-May-2007 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by x2rider

Well I am in the same boat as Can. I went out and put some shorts on gold just before I left. And got a txt to say they had been actioned.
But wasn't all that happy when I came home to see that

Just can't seem to get a handle on it at the moment. I hope it tanks big time now

Cheers martin

lol cuz you and Can pray for a tank I bet it will shot to 700! So I better load up on the longs ha ha ha

**Uncle Festivus** · 16th-May-2007 12:08 AM

OK, I'd better go & hibernate for winter then

**wayneL** · 16th-May-2007 12:15 AM

There is only one fundamental... interest rates.

There could be Great Depression II on the streets, but so long as there is a chance that % is going down, Dow goes KERPOW.

Earnings etc are irrelevant.

**Wysiwyg** · 16th-May-2007 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Uncle Festivus

OK, I'd better go & hibernate for winter then

There is nothing wrong with going against the flow.It only makes a stronger swimmer.

**Uncle Festivus** · 16th-May-2007 12:22 AM

There is nothing wrong with going against the flow.It only makes a stronger swimmer

Well I've got financial pecs like Thorpy then.

I'm never going to short again. There, that should do it, watch it tank now.
Seriously, what would make the market move up 100 points like that, or are we really only half way there, and the maestros really have it beaten?

**Wysiwyg** · 16th-May-2007 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Uncle Festivus

Wel I've got financial pecs like Thorpy then.

I'm never going to short again. There, that should do it, watch it tank now.
Seriously, what would make the market move up 100 points like that, or are we really only half way there, and the maestros really have it beaten?

Oh don`t feel alone...I have always been able to run fast but the powers that be put me in a marathon.

**Edwood** · 16th-May-2007 12:47 AM

oo-er those shorts are a bit tight!

mind you Wayne have a look at SPX & NDX - not participating in the tom-foolery - I am beginning to see what you mean now, Dow is totally manipulated

excuse the font, copied & I can't be arsed fixing it

"if your editor has learned anything in four decades of following the markets, it is that there are huge incentives to mislead investors. the many scandals of the last decade are not the only examples. even the very indexes that seemingly portray great gains in wealth are sometimes capable of illusions. take the dow industrials, for instance. statistics making the rounds on the internet recently illustrate that the index is not particularly accurate. on april 26th, as the dow made a new all-time closing high of 13,105, only four dow issues made new all-time highs while only 11 made new 52-week highs. however, 13 issues were down an average of 40.5$ from their all-time highs
and all 30 as a group were down an average of 26.7$ from their all-time
highs and down 3.2$ from their 52- week highs. sounds unlikely for an
all-time record high, right? how in heaven's name is this possible?
the dow is a price weighted average of the 30 issues. at one point, the computation was quite simple. tally the sum of the 30 issues and divide by 30. however, as splits occurred over the decades, the divisor grew progressively smaller and is now .123. in other words, if a $50 dow stock gains one point, the dow will rise 8.13 points (1 divided by .123). thus, we now sum point gains (or losses) for the day and divide by .123 to determine the daily change. trouble is, in a price weighted computation, all stocks are not created equal. far from equal. ibm at 102 has close to five times the impact of intel at 21. ¢onsequently,
price gains in ibm far outweigh equal percentage losses in intel. in fact, if
ibm were to rise by 10$ and intel were to fall by 10$ from current levels,
the dow would enjoy a net gain of 65.85 points. if instead, ibm were to decline by 10$ while intel rose a commensurate 10$, the dow would suffer a 65.85 point loss. if this makes any sense, we'll eat this newsletter. perhaps if ibm were many times the size of intel, the computation would have some logic in its favor but the difference in size is not meaningful. ibm's market cap is
$153 billion and intel's is $125 billion. for all intents and purposes,
they are equal players."

**Edwood** · 16th-May-2007 05:43 AM

morning - phew!! thankful for baggy shorts, everything intact - a case of betty swallocks during that Dow rise last night mind!!

so we have an 80pt selling spike setting up on Dow, SPX looks to have posted a double top around 1,513 but didn't make new highs, and Nasdaq no-where near recent highs during that idiotic Dow rally....

anyone willing to bet that we've seen a top?

**bean** · 16th-May-2007 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Edwood

morning - phew!! thankful for baggy shorts, everything intact - a case of betty swallocks during that Dow rise last night mind!!

so we have an 80pt selling spike setting up on Dow, SPX looks to have posted a double top around 1,513 but didn't make new highs, and Nasdaq no-where near recent highs during that idiotic Dow rally....

anyone willing to bet that we've seen a top?

NASDAQ set up for a very large down day.

**wayneL** · 16th-May-2007 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Edwood

morning - phew!! thankful for baggy shorts, everything intact - a case of betty swallocks during that Dow rise last night mind!!

so we have an 80pt selling spike setting up on Dow, SPX looks to have posted a double top around 1,513 but didn't make new highs, and Nasdaq no-where near recent highs during that idiotic Dow rally....

anyone willing to bet that we've seen a top?

In a rational world yes. But in this world... up is down etc.... who knows

**>Apocalypto<** · 16th-May-2007 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Wysiwyg

There is nothing wrong with going against the flow.It only makes a stronger swimmer.

Or you drown twice as quick!

**Edwood** · 17th-May-2007 06:19 AM

Dow now around 1,000pts above its 200ma on daily view

this from Spain re: their national account

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../cnspain16.xml

**wayneL** · 17th-May-2007 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Edwood

Dow now around 1,000pts above its 200ma on daily view

this from Spain re: their national account

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../cnspain16.xml

That must have sent the Madrid index into blue sky territory

**CanOz** · 17th-May-2007 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by wayneL

In a rational world yes. But in this world... up is down etc.... who knows

From the new wires this morning:

"We seem to be in a period of time where it doesn't make a difference what the news is -- the market seems to find a reason to go up," said Ron Kiddoo, chief investment officer at Cozad Asset Management. "How long will this last? It's anybody's guess."

Well at least we're not the only ones who noticed lol!

Cheers,

**Uncle Festivus** · 17th-May-2007 10:20 AM

Yes, maybe there should be a thread for the Global Property Bust

http://www.aussiestockforums.com/for...9&postcount=64

Slightly bullish for gold!

Over the past two months the Banco de España has sold off 80 tonnes of gold, flooding the world market with enough bullion to dampen the usual spring rally.

The current account deficit has reached 9.5pc of GDP, a sign of extreme over-heating. Spain is now the second biggest net contributor to global demand after the US, far outstripping China, astonishing for a country of only 40 million still living in the shadows of the Franco regime a generation ago.

**>Apocalypto<** · 18th-May-2007 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Trade_It

it sure has turned around up 20 point now from 27 down.

but sorry guys i am still with a correction even if it dose close and hold over 12400 i bet i will be saying this for the next month while it goes up and up!

I believe in Gann and prices love to pull back to the 1x1

DOW JONES

What did I tell you guys as soon as a posted that it made new highs!

Well it is way off its line I am not in till we have a pull back.

**professor_frink** · 18th-May-2007 12:50 PM

How's this for scary. Below is a 5 tick chart for the HSI. Nice steady uptrend, then someone hit the panic button- 3 seconds later and it's lost 50 points

Even scarier for me- I was still long 1 minute before that happened

They would have heard the swearing in Hong Kong if I had been caught up in that