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# Thread: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

1. ## Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Been a theory that Tanking existed in the past, but has not been such an issue with the draft allowances for Gold Coast last year and this year GWS.
Always thought while draft pick allowances were good they were subjective to teams tanking in the last weeks of the comp, but thought the solution was relatively simple.
A draft: The bottom 4 teams (13 14 15 16) raffle for the 1st and 2nd picks. (those teams that win a pick are excluded from Draft B)
B Draft Then the bottom 6 teams (11 12 13 14 15 16) raffle for picks 3 4 and 5
The bottom 6 team not winning a raffle pick from Draft A and B gets pick 6. (if that team should happen to be bottom team you could consider them getting pick 7 also -priority pick) otherwise
Pick 7 goes to 7th from the bottom (of ladder)
Pick 8 goes to 8th from the bottom ...and so on (as per first round picks)

2. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Originally Posted by jbocker
Been a theory that Tanking existed in the past, but has not been such an issue with the draft allowances for Gold Coast last year and this year GWS.
Always thought while draft pick allowances were good they were subjective to teams tanking in the last weeks of the comp, but thought the solution was relatively simple.
A draft: The bottom 4 teams (13 14 15 16) raffle for the 1st and 2nd picks. (those teams that win a pick are excluded from Draft B)
B Draft Then the bottom 6 teams (11 12 13 14 15 16) raffle for picks 3 4 and 5
The bottom 6 team not winning a raffle pick from Draft A and B gets pick 6. (if that team should happen to be bottom team you could consider them getting pick 7 also -priority pick) otherwise
Pick 7 goes to 7th from the bottom (of ladder)
Pick 8 goes to 8th from the bottom ...and so on (as per first round picks)
In my opinion the solution is either a raffle type system like the above, or the simple answer is to abolish priority picks.

Teams have been tanking for years, Sheedy admitted to doing it in the 90s. The only thing that has changed in recent years is that is has been more obvious and prevalant. It used to be simply sending players off for surgery, keeping experienced players in the VFL and running with the youth, trying players in different positions etc. Recently it has been expanded to benching players to curb their influence on the game, and placing players in ridiculous positions, i.e. swapping backs with forwards to significantly reduce your chances of winning.

The rules certainly need to change.

3. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Nothing is going to change unless the fat Greek wants it to change. He doesn't listen to the football public; he does whatever suits him, and whatever perpetuates his power.

He'll be thrown out next year I suspect. Attendance numbers are continuing to fall away. So long as Anderson and Fitzpatrick leave with him, things will improve.

4. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Well last week of the home and away, did Collingwood start tanking tonight towards the end of the second quarter?? They clearly had no answer to Geelongs endeavour and ran second to the ball.

Suspect Hawthorn have already tanked for their game.

If they are, hope it proves to be the watershed games for their season, I hate tanking!

Losing is bad - can sometimes manifest into a habit.

5. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Originally Posted by jbocker
Suspect Hawthorn have already tanked for their game.
Hahaha, I love this. How do you tank when you have 3rd position locked up?

Fair enough we are resting some big names but look at the players that are coming in.
Bateman - Premiership player
Mitchell - Premiership player
Ellis - Premiership player
Stratton - Very good player coming back from injury needing a run before finals.
Lisle - young player but was showing signs of promise before being injured earlier in the season
Cheney - Been in and out of the side all year but has played well when given the chance.
Johnson - First game for the club but has played 60 odd AFL games.

It is hardly like Hawthorn have put a weak side out on the park.

6. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Fair comment Nomore4s.
I hope Hawthorn show up for the game and play it like it should be played, that is only fair for their supporters.
I was suspect on Collingwoods effort last night, didnt seem to want to match it, which if I was a supporter would have been annoyed, and ripped off for paying to watch it. A ploy you might argue for the finals, but .. a game of footy is a game of footy. I would have been annoyed as hell if I had travelled interstate to watch that performance believing it is a pre-run of the GF. I hope it proves a watershed game for them. They went soft and the consequence of playing then 'a hard at it team' is injuries - I think that got 3.

I can understand that the top four dont have anything to play for wrt ladder positions, but they have everything to play for for their loyal pay at the gate supporters. Appreciate maybe the only real interest for most is the efforts of the marginal players playing for selection.
Good luck to your Hawks. I will be happy to be wrong.

Cheers

7. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

I think Hawthorn will still win pretty easily.

The Collingwood hierarchy behind closed doors would be extremely worried about last nights result. You do not want to lose like they did last night to your main rival last game before the finals. They have now been outclassed by Geelong twice this year(1st game they only lost by 4 points but all the key indicators were well and truly in Geelongs favour in that game).
No matter what they say in the press they were trying last night, they just were no where near good enough, Collingwoods form over the last 2-3 weeks has not been that good imo - Nothing spectacular against the Saints, pushed by Brisbane, beat a very ordinary Freo easily and now flogged by Geelong. They also have a lot of players injured, coming off injuries or suspended.

There is no way they went out to purposely lose last nights match, I just think they put in a poor performance and the number of under-done and missing players is catching up with them.

8. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Hawks should have played their VFL team (Box Hill Hawks) vs GCS today.

By playing the seconds, you give 20 guys exposure to AFL footy, and give your real team a crucial rest before battling Geelong. If I was Clarkson I wouldn't have risked a single player today.

9. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Originally Posted by nomore4s
I think Hawthorn will still win pretty easily.

The Collingwood hierarchy behind closed doors would be extremely worried about last nights result. You do not want to lose like they did last night to your main rival last game before the finals. They have now been outclassed by Geelong twice this year(1st game they only lost by 4 points but all the key indicators were well and truly in Geelongs favour in that game).
No matter what they say in the press they were trying last night, they just were no where near good enough, Collingwoods form over the last 2-3 weeks has not been that good imo - Nothing spectacular against the Saints, pushed by Brisbane, beat a very ordinary Freo easily and now flogged by Geelong. They also have a lot of players injured, coming off injuries or suspended.

There is no way they went out to purposely lose last nights match, I just think they put in a poor performance and the number of under-done and missing players is catching up with them.
Makes the game against the WCE interesting be nice to win against Collingwood in the 1st final.

Hawks look like they are gaining form to me

10. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

I believe Collingwood has still got plenty to offer and will put in when its required, and that should be evident next week. However as a WCE supporter I would be over the moon to push them to their limits.
I have big chunks out of my body already where I have been pinching myself, thinking it a dream how well they have gone this year, after such a humbling year last year. Theirs along with Geelongs has been exceptional year, Geelong losing Ablett and the coach I would have thought might have been a significant impact and left them further down the 8.
On coaches, Worsfold must be very hot property at the moment.
I rated Neil Craig always thought he was good;
Ratten - dont rate him at all...

..Hey maybe a new thread on the subject that will give some good debate.

11. ## Re: Tanking in the AFL (solutions)

Originally Posted by jbocker
I believe Collingwood has still got plenty to offer and will put in when its required, and that should be evident next week. However as a WCE supporter I would be over the moon to push them to their limits.
I have big chunks out of my body already where I have been pinching myself, thinking it a dream how well they have gone this year, after such a humbling year last year. Theirs along with Geelongs has been exceptional year, Geelong losing Ablett and the coach I would have thought might have been a significant impact and left them further down the 8.
On coaches, Worsfold must be very hot property at the moment.
I rated Neil Craig always thought he was good;
Ratten - dont rate him at all...

..Hey maybe a new thread on the subject that will give some good debate.
On the topic of coaches, I reckon Eagles assistant Scott Burns will be coaching the Crows this year. Apparently he made some pretty big changes when he headed West, and often butted head with Sumich's ideas (this was alluded to on one of the videos on WCE's youtube channel)

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