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    I have it on good opinion from one of my Queensland ALP contacts , that the NBN is to be "modified".

    This will free up money for the Flood and Cyclone Reconstruction.

    The word "scrapped" will not be used.

    "Modified" is the buzzword.

    One can imagine a Dalek saying it...."Modified, modified, modified"

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    No talk of this over at whirlpool...so your usual misinformation GG?

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142

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    Something interesting i did find over at whirlpool was this interesting site

    The top 10 NBN myths debunked

    http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/
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    We can only hope GG, cyclone Yasi may have prevented us from encountering an even bigger disaster.

    They cannot even run a simple power station in the outback, how are they ever going build a faster means of downloading porn at a projected final cost of $20000.00 per household.

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    Quote Originally Posted by So_Cynical View Post
    No talk of this over at whirlpool...so your usual misinformation GG?

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142

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    Something interesting i did find over at whirlpool was this interesting site

    The top 10 NBN myths debunked

    http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/
    1. The NBN will cost taxpayers $43 billion dollars. We can’t afford it and it’s uncosted

    False

    First, the government investment is capped at $26-27 billion dollars, not 43. The remainder will come from revenue and NBN Co’s private debt.[1] No private funds have signed up to secure this kind of debt. WHAT REVENUE???
    Second, experts now say that it will not cost $43bn thanks to the deal NBN has secured with Telstra to access all their existing ducts, poles, backhaul fibre and customer base. Savings are estimated at between 20 and 30% ($8.6-12.9bn).[2] Tlestra has NOT agreed to use thier infrastructure. Only to CLOSE DOWN the copper cable and retain FOXTEL.

    More detailed information about funding the NBN here

    2. If it were viable, the private sector would build it

    False

    a. The private sector could not afford it. ~$40bn is a huge investment for any company, and well beyond any telco operating in Australia. SO how does a Government think they can afford it when they cannot afford 5.8 billion to rebuild QLD after a flood and a cyclone???

    3. We will never need that much speed or data

    False

    Check out this graph showing the increase in speed of internet access in Australia. Due to the limitations of wireless and copper systems, the only way we can maintain this increase is to move to a fibre-based system. LOLOLOL ...... Japan has 103 MBPS and only uses 12 % capacity. ROFL
    Historic and future internet speeds

    4. Noone else in the world is installing such a system

    False

    Fibre-To-The-Premises or Home (FTTP/H) is currently being rolled out across Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and China.[4] Google have announced they are building a trial network to cover up to 500,000 homes in the USA, which complements the Verison FiOS network covering over 12 million premises,[5][5a] and many areas in Europe and the UK are also having FTTP networks installed.[6][6a] USA Guvmint has invested 225 MILLION DOLLARS ONLY !!!!!!!!!

    5. Our internet speed is good enough

    False

    Australia has amongst the slowest available broadband speeds in the developed world. This is a huge impost to new technologies for business and education. Where FTTP is available, the cost is so high that only the largest businesses can afford it. HAHAHH Ahaha hah aha h aaaa ...... are you for real ??? We are 4th in all the developed nations for speed compared to the amount of population we have in Australlia !

    The dismal position of Australian internet speeds

    6. A Wireless (eg 4G, LTE, WiMax) or DSL (ADSL2+/VDSL/HDSL) network can provide the same speed for a fraction of the price

    False

    More detailed information about wireless here and here

    Much is claimed (usually by those with a vested interest) about the potential of wireless networks, with speeds such as 300Mbps being quoted. But this is highly deceptive, because those are peak speeds per cell site (ie per tower), not realistically achievable speeds for individuals. For example if the “300Mb” tower has just two users active, then speed is halved to 150Mbps. A trial of “4G/LTE” in 2009 showed that with just 20 people using any one tower, speed plummeted to just 7Mbps. Melbourne already has 100MPBS per second with Telstra ....... LOLOL ........ 1 million homes already ........ OOOOOOOOOPssss all have to be shut down with the introduction of NBN !! hahahaha

    7. People don’t want fixed internet, they only want mobile

    False

    There is no doubt that people want some data on the move, and wireless connections are the fastest growing (in number) of all data connections. However wireless is a low volume convenience solution that can never physically replace a fixed connection for large amounts of information. So why has Telstra LOST over 1 million customers on "FIXED" lines and are now increasing tghe cost of "FIXED" lines to compensate???

    8. It will be too expensive to have an NBN connection

    False

    Following the NBN Implementation study, the Government has announced that they will adopt the recommendations for a “competitive” wholesale price for basic NBN access of $20-$30 per month for data and $30-35 for data+phone.[3] This compares to the ~$24 per month (wholesale) currently charged by Telstra for ADSL data, and ~$40 for ADSL data+phone. At the time of writing, homes and businesses can have an NBN connection in Tasmania for $29.95 per month with a faster connection than ADSL.[13] Now you are REALLY pulling the excrement out of your posterior !!!!! TRY $129 per month to access High Speed Internet NBN in Tasmania at FULL NOISE. $29.95 is an ENTRY level cost ...... Get a grip.

    9. It will cost thousands of dollars to install it into my house

    False

    NBN Co will install fibre into your home during the build for no cost, providing you with 4 data ports and 2 phone ports.[14] Simply plug your current wireless router and cordless phone into that socket, and you’ll get your internet and phone anywhere in the house, just like you do now. There is no need to rewire your house with fibre-optics unless you want hard-wired access in other places of your home. Ummmmmmmmm ...... nope ...... look here for some facts

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1225907517167

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1225908005122

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/only-45-acce...-339303593.htm

    10. Fibre optics only last a maximum of 15 or 20 Years.

    False

    Manufacturers now quote an average lifetime of 60 years for fibre-optic cables,[15] which is about 10 years more than the typical underground copper cabling we have now. Fibre-optics are also unaffected by water penetration, unlike copper cables. Maintenance costs are much lower for fibre than copper.[16]

    Nortel Networks report that they are running over 100Gbps over 15-year-old fibre networks without a problem, saying “The age of the fibre has nothing to do with it any more, thanks to the dispersion compensation techniques we use.”[17]

    PMSL .......... You have got to be kidding me ....... Vermin eat the plastic coatinfg rendering it USELESS http://www.fiberopticmania.com/2010/...ber-optic.html

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    Default Re: NBN Rollout Scrapped

    LOL Tranny...is that the best you can do?

    Rats
    Floods
    Japan the US

    The NBN rolls on....at last we have a government that's actually doing something about our future, a government sticking its neck out and having a go instead of cowering in the face of real challenge.

    For those interested here is some details of the First Release Sites.

    • Brunswick (VIC)
    • Townsville (QLD)
    • Armidale (NSW)
    • Minnamurra and Kiama Downs (NSW)
    • Willunga (SA)


    http://www.nbnco.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...maps#brunswick

    Long live the NBN
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    Quote Originally Posted by So_Cynical View Post
    ....at last we have a government that's actually doing something about our future
    Yeah, they are doing that alright, my tax just went up in the last week, anything that was in the kitty has been spent on setting fire to ceilings, putting illegal immigrants in military accommodation, partly building new classrooms, ensuring that more money is spent on the administration of both the health and education system than on the people doing the work, making donations to corruption in Indonesia and numerous jollies overseas to save the planet.

    You cannot be serious !
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    I reiterate my earlier composium ...... "SO how does a Government think they can afford it when they cannot afford 5.8 billion to rebuild QLD after a flood and a cyclone???"

    Is this what you have become So-Cyclical? A former broken down shadow of ones intellectual self? Nay ..... no longer a free thinker amongst modern men but a mere bufoon bent on monopolizing the spotlight to echo the party line of spending the ill gotten gains of overseas borrowings and living on largesse they cannot afford. Surely you of all people who at one time had the capacity of being in the Mensa category would recognise as to when to withdraw gracefully from a “quantity theory” as being a specific theory of the demand for money from a Socialist Guvmint that can ill afford to place our necks on the chopping block of recievership.

    Hmmmmmmmmm ...... Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! ........ springs to mind about now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boggo View Post
    Yeah, they are doing that alright, my tax just went up in the last week, anything that was in the kitty has been spent on setting fire to ceilings, putting illegal immigrants in military accommodation, partly building new classrooms, ensuring that more money is spent on the administration of both the health and education system than on the people doing the work, making donations to corruption in Indonesia and numerous jollies overseas to save the planet.

    You cannot be serious !
    Ah Boggo, so beautifully put. Ditto Trainspotter's most recent remarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garpal Gumnut View Post
    I have it on good opinion from one of my Queensland ALP contacts , that the NBN is to be "modified".

    This will free up money for the Flood and Cyclone Reconstruction.

    The word "scrapped" will not be used.
    I was reading an article today, I can't recall if it was the Fin Review or The Weekend Australian as I read both, that made the claim the Julia will scrap the NBN by the end of next week, with the Queensland disasters as the excuse. No source given. It said that Julia is gradually dumping all the commitments made during Kevin's reign

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garpal Gumnut View Post
    I have it on good opinion from one of my Queensland ALP contacts , that the NBN is to be "modified".
    I hope so. I hope this is 'modified' in the same sense that taking a sledge-hammer to a laptop could be considered 'technical adjustments'.
    Quote Originally Posted by So_Cynical View Post
    The NBN rolls on....at last we have a government that's actually doing something about our future, a government sticking its neck out and having a go instead of cowering in the face of real challenge.

    Long live the NBN
    Look, they are still using our money. Whether we buy the internet services we want, or the government buys the same services, we pay for it one way or another. The government cannot make the fibers free, nor the workers work for free.
    The difference is that the government is not building something we want. This stands to reason. If we wanted to spend our money on it - it would exist. The government is building something the government wants - with our money.
    You can claim the same things about 'the future' and 'having a go' to anything the government does, since these are subjective. Any money the government spends on its things is money we do not have to spend on our things.

    Death to the NBN, and every other government boondoggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by So_Cynical View Post
    LOL Tranny...is that the best you can do?

    Rats
    Floods
    Japan the US

    The NBN rolls on....at last we have a government that's actually doing something about our future, a government sticking its neck out and having a go instead of cowering in the face of real challenge.

    For those interested here is some details of the First Release Sites.

    • Brunswick (VIC)
    • Townsville (QLD)
    • Armidale (NSW)
    • Minnamurra and Kiama Downs (NSW)
    • Willunga (SA)


    http://www.nbnco.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...maps#brunswick

    Long live the NBN
    Not Townsville mate, just a few upper class suburbs who vote Labor like Mundingburra.

    Most workers will not get it comrade.

    gg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boggo View Post
    Yeah, they are doing that alright, my tax just went up in the last week, anything that was in the kitty has been spent on setting fire to ceilings, putting illegal immigrants in military accommodation, partly building new classrooms, ensuring that more money is spent on the administration of both the health and education system than on the people doing the work, making donations to corruption in Indonesia and numerous jollies overseas to save the planet.

    You cannot be serious !
    +1
    Well put

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellenuit View Post
    I was reading an article today, I can't recall if it was the Fin Review or The Weekend Australian as I read both, that made the claim the Julia will scrap the NBN by the end of next week, with the Queensland disasters as the excuse. No source given. It said that Julia is gradually dumping all the commitments made during Kevin's reign
    It was in "The Weekend Australian", bellenuit. I was quite surprised to read that. May it be true!

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    IT wouldn't really be a surprise to see Julia Gillard announce she was dumping Labor's $36 billion National Broadband Network towards the end of next week.!
    No substance to this that I could see in the article proper. Dennis Shanahan is just having a dig with the above comment.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226000468745

    God bless The Australian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garpal Gumnut View Post
    I have it on good opinion from one of my Queensland ALP contacts , that the NBN is to be "modified".

    This will free up money for the Flood and Cyclone Reconstruction.
    It wouldn't suprise me if there are delays.

    They still have not reached formal agreement with Telstra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garpal Gumnut View Post
    Not Townsville mate, just a few upper class suburbs who vote Labor like Mundingburra.

    Most workers will not get it comrade.

    gg
    Aitkenvale and Mundingburra...looks like 100% coverage to me, everything has to start somewhere GG and Townsvilles NBN experience is starting in
    Aitkenvale and Mundingburra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by So_Cynical View Post
    LOL Tranny...is that the best you can do?

    Rats
    Floods
    Japan the US

    The NBN rolls on....at last we have a government that's actually doing something about our future, a government sticking its neck out and having a go instead of cowering in the face of real challenge.

    For those interested here is some details of the First Release Sites.

    • Brunswick (VIC)
    • Townsville (QLD)
    • Armidale (NSW)
    • Minnamurra and Kiama Downs (NSW)
    • Willunga (SA)


    http://www.nbnco.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...maps#brunswick

    Long live the NBN
    Agree SC spent a long time around technology have yet to see a reason not to build the NBN or some hybrid close to it.

    I would support it regardless of which government decided to build if you look at any major national infrastructure project the same negative behavior is acted out.

    Spending on infrastructure is a good thing and has a direct effect on productivity.

    The Perth to Mandurah rail line had almost the exact same language used against it BTW the out come after it was built.........it has the highest usage of any line in Perth.

    Long live the NBN +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by IFocus View Post
    The Perth to Mandurah rail line had almost the exact same language used against it BTW the out come after it was built.........it has the highest usage of any line in Perth.
    The Perth to Mandurah rail line was supported by both sides of WA state politics with the only difference being the route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tothemax6 View Post
    Look, they are still using our money. Whether we buy the internet services we want, or the government buys the same services, we pay for it one way or another. The government cannot make the fibers free, nor the workers work for free.
    The difference is that the government is not building something we want. This stands to reason. If we wanted to spend our money on it - it would exist. The government is building something the government wants - with our money.
    Who said we don't want it i am a part of we and i want it....i mean seriously who doesn't want ultra fast, latest technology broadband, com-on how many people are reading this right now using a dial up connection or even DSL1? the answer is very few and that's because technology changes and as a society we want the fastest and the best....and the providers want to gives us that...problem is the infrastructure is dated and at breaking point and cannot continue to deliver the higher speeds and content loads required into the future.

    The way forward was always a choice between patching up what we have (the cheap nasty coalition option) or building a new backbone using the latest technology (Expensive NBN) i reckon we are better off embracing change and going with the new expensive technology...but that's me and how i think...the ASF right and other coalition supporters here think differently, coalition supporters in general seem to be a little unwilling to pay.

    Coalition supporters want fast and reliable broadband but don't want the expensive new NBN

    Coalition supporters want to help flood victims but don't want to pay a levy

    Coalition supporters want to help the environment and reduce GHG's but don't want to pay higher utility bills.

    One could be left with the impression that coalition supports want good things to happen...just they don't want to actually pay for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by So_Cynical View Post
    Who said we don't want it i am a part of we and i want it....i mean seriously who doesn't want ultra fast, latest technology broadband, com-on how many people are reading this right now using a dial up connection or even DSL1? the answer is very few and that's because technology changes and as a society we want the fastest and the best....and the providers want to gives us that...problem is the infrastructure is dated and at breaking point and cannot continue to deliver the higher speeds and content loads required into the future.

    The way forward was always a choice between patching up what we have (the cheap nasty coalition option) or building a new backbone using the latest technology (Expensive NBN) i reckon we are better off embracing change and going with the new expensive technology...but that's me and how i think...the ASF right and other coalition supporters here think differently, coalition supporters in general seem to be a little unwilling to pay.

    Coalition supporters want fast and reliable broadband but don't want the expensive new NBN

    Coalition supporters want to help flood victims but don't want to pay a levy

    Coalition supporters want to help the environment and reduce GHG's but don't want to pay higher utility bills.

    One could be left with the impression that coalition supports want good things to happen...just they don't want to actually pay for them.
    I want a Ferrari too, but don't want't to pay for it. Hence I don't have one.



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