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Old 11th-June-2010, 10:21 AM   #61
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The one thing i dont understand about wine buffs is how they pretend there are certain flavours in the wine.

I have worked in a winery and know the winemaking process inside out, the only thing in wine is grape juice, water, chemicals, some yeast and flavouring from any tannin or wood used. No fruits/honey/citrus etc added.

Beer on the other hand is much more dynamic when you get good mirco brews. Good brewers use flowers, citrus (or just skins), chocolate, roasting techniques etc etc all to bring out actual flavours, not pretend ones that people make up in their heads
Certain molecular compounds in wine do impart a flavour that not only mimics others, but is the same as others, because they are literally the same compounds.

For example, the molecular compound which gives the peppercorn its peppery taste can be found in identical form in certain wines. When a wine expert says "It tastes peppery", they may be 100% correct because it is peppery.

The molecular and chemical process involved in taste is very complex, and similar molecules can result from seemingly dissimilar organic materials.

There is a good article in new scientist magazine a while back regarding this... if I can find the issue I will post details.
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Old 11th-June-2010, 10:58 AM   #62
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Agree Twiddle - French Oak does have some commonality with Vanilla I believe, which is where some of that flavour comes from, whilst malolactic acid does give Chardonnay a buttery aroma, and many winemakers will stir the lees once a week to increase the rate of malo to enhance this characteristic of the wine.
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Old 18th-June-2010, 11:03 PM   #63
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Current red on the lips is the 2000 Baroosa Valley Siraz "Farms". Winemaker is Thomas Jung. Around $70 per bottle but well worth it ! Yaldara Wines Lyndoch SA 5351. Superb !
Another bottle bites the dust ......... YUMMY !

mmmmmmmmmm ........ ya really have to try this one !
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Old 19th-June-2010, 11:34 AM   #64
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Penfolds Bin 389 Cabernet/Shiraz 2002, still got 4 left to be drunk over the next couple of years.
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Old 19th-June-2010, 12:24 PM   #65
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Penfolds Bin 389 Cabernet/Shiraz 2002, still got 4 left to be drunk over the next couple of years.
Now that would be a very good wine with a big steak or venison
Do you have an air con wine cellar ???

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Old 19th-June-2010, 02:36 PM   #66
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Is it still a good rule of thumb to have

Red with Meat

White with Fish



btw, I do think all wine buffs are wankers.

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Old 19th-June-2010, 03:01 PM   #67
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Another bottle bites the dust ......... YUMMY !

mmmmmmmmmm ........ ya really have to try this one !
Did you have the Hugo Boss outfit on while snogging the $70 bottle of woobler,or were you sitting on the ottoman in the red smoking jacket with a cuban and crown casino slippers stolen from the last trip to Melbourne
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Old 20th-June-2010, 06:43 PM   #68
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Did you have the Hugo Boss outfit on while snogging the $70 bottle of woobler,or were you sitting on the ottoman in the red smoking jacket with a cuban and crown casino slippers stolen from the last trip to Melbourne
LOL ..... I was looking at the spelling of my post actually ! Baroosa? Siraz?

Taylors St. Andrews Cabernet Sauvignon 2001 Clare Valley for dinner tonight. I will be reclining on the Chesterfields in the den this evening with some associates who may or may not be of Cuban extraction. Slippers are optional.
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Old 3rd-July-2010, 07:47 PM   #69
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Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Savignon "John Riddock" 1998. Only 2 left now and really mellow.
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Old 19th-July-2010, 08:36 PM   #70
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Post #68 again ........ Taylors X is the way forward. Thank you Julia Gillard for the slogan.
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Old 20th-July-2010, 02:19 PM   #71
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Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Savignon "John Riddock" 1998. Only 2 left now and really mellow.
Oh nulla nulla I am your new best friend .

I had half a dozen of those which alas now onlyform part of my bodily structure (not sure which bit LOL but anyway) and some very fond memories.

That is one smoooooooth drop. Wish I was there to help you savour the last two bottles. Enjoy slowly.

From the same growing region an another amazing red - Rogue Homme 2005 Cab Sav. Found this at a pub in Parramatta. Bought out their entire cellar of the stuff it was that good. Unfortunately the Rogue Homme Limestone Coast winery is no longer - bought out by one of the large wine makers. Still have about 2 doz left. It would have to be one of the best reds I have ever had (and that includes the John Riddock, some exceptional Frenchies and some heavy hitting Hermitage's). You can actually smell the earth the vine was growing in (which always made me wonder how some "experts" were able to call which vineyard and even which side of the hill the grapes had grown - that was until I came across the RH - now I can understand how that is possible).

I am lucky as we live close to the Hunter Valley so it makes it easy to sample the vintages each year at the wineries - but alas mainly whites. The Hunter Valley is not up on its reds imho. Just wish I could get to the wineries in South Australia more often - the Coonawarra produces some of THE best reds in the world (again imho).

My receipe for enjoying wine - look at it in a glass, marvel at its colour, inhale the aroma, let that drift through your mind, then slowly taste it, roll it around your mouth and either spit it out if you hate it or order some more before someone else does...

Wine is like a lot of the finer things in life. To fully enjoy those things you have to involve all the senses, take the time to savour it. Doesn't matter if it is a top end sports car, a mate, a delicious meal (alas Level 41 is no longer ). Deliberate, conscious presence and thought. Anyone who has ever done Tai Chi would understand what I am talking about.

To just drink a wine or spirit (good or bad) (or any item of fine distinction) without thinking about it is the mark of an uneducated person. A heathen if you like. Unfortunately the world is filled more with people lacking finesse and appreciation of skill than there are with those imbued such sensibilities. Without them fine wine, art, precision engineering, music, poetry, good food may well never have existed.
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Old 20th-July-2010, 05:55 PM   #72
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Rather coincidental, I'm sitting here with a Rouge Homme Limestone Coast Shiraz Cabernet 2005. I used to enjoy the RH Pinot Noir but since the sale of the vineyard/winery it isn't produced anymore.
I have to admit I wasn't impressed with the 2004 RH Coonawarra Cab Sav, however the Limestone Coast wines are good value.
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Old 20th-July-2010, 06:32 PM   #73
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Doh! Note to self: Rouge Homme not Rogue Homme

I knew there was something wrong when I spelt it but couldn't work it out. Too much inkahol.

Sounds like we have very very similar taste in fine wines
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Old 20th-July-2010, 09:44 PM   #74
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Rather coincidental, I'm sitting here with a Rouge Homme Limestone Coast Shiraz Cabernet 2005. I used to enjoy the RH Pinot Noir but since the sale of the vineyard/winery it isn't produced anymore.
I have to admit I wasn't impressed with the 2004 RH Coonawarra Cab Sav, however the Limestone Coast wines are good value.
Yeah buddy i agree the best overall wine value comes from the limestone coast, McLaren Vale, Barrossa Valley & Clare region SA in that order.
Use to have a wine tasting night once a month with my staff where by i would cover a dozen assorted bottles of wine from different regions from Australia with brown paper & try guess the grape & region.
Found SA on that had the best wine but each to their own.
Was good fun anyhow.
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Old 29th-July-2010, 06:16 PM   #75
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Get Wines Direct are/were selling the George Wyndam Show Reserve Shiraz 2005 as a clean skin for $9.99 per bottle (In a Dozen). Multiple trophy winner and medalist. Great quaffing value in my opinion.
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Old 29th-July-2010, 10:24 PM   #76
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Devils Lair Margaret River Shiraz 2006 ........ shoes are optional.
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Old 31st-July-2010, 06:48 PM   #77
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Campbells of Rutherglen, Bobbie Burns Shiraz 2006. Just the thing for the Sunday Roast Chickens an Vegetables.
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Old 20th-August-2010, 10:53 PM   #78
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Going all out tonight ... Grey Label Shiraz Wolf Blass 2005. Silky chocolate and lovely warm minty aftertaste (or is that the tim tams?) anyways ... heavenly berries in a rather large tumbler. Decanted of course. Enjoy.
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Old 20th-August-2010, 11:12 PM   #79
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Going all out tonight ... Grey Label Shiraz Wolf Blass 2005. Silky chocolate and lovely warm minty aftertaste (or is that the tim tams?) anyways ... heavenly berries in a rather large tumbler. Decanted of course. Enjoy.
Nice choice TS, the 04 was superb also
Found a good website that may help those searching for a particular wine.
http://www.wine-searcher.com/
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Nice choice TS, the 04 was superb also
Found a good website that may help those searching for a particular wine.
http://www.wine-searcher.com/
Thanks springhill .. will reference when I need to stock up again. Cheers !
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