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Re: Can the USA fund its debt?
The charts show how this call didn't work out ... instead of falling, there has been a massive rally:

But I reckon there is more to the story ... and a good opportunity for learning ... let me just carefully affix my tinfoil hat ... OK, here goes...
Something caught my eye this morning:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/com...tes-out-europe
From the article (posted on 19 May 2010), underlining mine:
“The April update for Pimco's Total Return Fund is out. The credit fund, … has rotated aggressively out of non-US developed holdings (i.e. Bund and other exposure), and put the money back into the US.”
This is really, really interesting. PIMCO is the world’s biggest manager of fixed-income securities, quarter of a trillion dollars! - absolutely massive fund. So, how do you rotate your portfolio when you are this big?
When in late March/early April, the US Treasuries were increasing in yields, i.e. the price was falling. This was accompanied by many, many articles, blog posts, opinions etc. that yields would continue to rise (i.e. prices continue to fall) and therefore to sell US notes, bonds etc. Here are some reports on comments coming out of PIMCO around that time (underlining mine):
March 30, 2010 Headline: Treasury Bonds: “Bill Gross, who manages the world’s biggest bond fund, says the 30-year bull market in fixed-income securities is ending.”
“Bond investors are nervous because interest rates are rising, reducing the market value of their securities.”
“Rates reflect the flood of Treasury bonds being sold to cover the U.S. budget deficit, which hit $1.4 trillion in fiscal 2009.”
“rising yields and falling bond prices are here and now.”
“While Gross is giving stocks an indirect plug, he's still buying bonds. He recommends, for instance, longer-term securities of Germany and Canada, whose governments are more frugal than that of the U.S. Pimco's $1 trillion or so of assets are still overwhelmingly in bonds”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aHwhhQIwHrO8
March 25, 2010 Headline: Gross: Long-term bondholders beware
“As a November IMF staff position note aptly pointed out, high fiscal deficits and higher outstanding debt lead to higher real interest rates and ultimately higher inflation, both trends which are bond market unfriendly. In the US in addition to the 10% of GDP deficits and a growing stock of outstanding debt, an investor must be concerned with future unfunded entitlement commitments”
“The trend promises to get worse, not better”
http://www.investmentpostcards.com/2...olders-beware/
March 24, 2010 Headline: Is Bill Gross Spooking The Bond Market? Observations From BTIG's Mike O'Rourke
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bil...s-mike-orourke
(This guy seems to have been the only one knowing what was going on).
March 26, 2010
Headline: Guest Post: The Case for Buying Foreign Bonds from Low-Deficit Countries
As Pacific Investment Management Co.'s Gross, manager of the world's biggest bond fund, said yesterday in an interview with Tom Keene on Bloomberg Radio that “[U.S.] bonds have seen their best days."
“one of the main reasons that Gross is now bearish on U.S. treasuries is because he is convinced the U.S. be hit with massive inflation.”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/...countries.html
Apr. 12, 2010
PIMCO's Bill Gross Frantically Dumping Treasuries, Thinks US Interest Rates Will Soar
http://www.businessinsider.com/henry...ess+Insider%29
Pretty emotive stuff & there are many, many more articles around on how the US Treasuries were to collapse in price from around that time.
Back to my original question:
Q: So, how do you rotate your portfolio when you are this big?
A: Ya gotta suck in the punters ... and it sure looks like Bill Gross knows how to play the market for suckers. (Except for Mike O'Rourke, he was on the ball).
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