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MARKETWAVES
23rd-May-2005, 12:44 PM
Silver vs Gold

Silver bugs believe that, like gold, silver is money. They also
believe that the silver price is going to vastly outperform the gold
price because of silver's supply shortage. But silver is not money;
it's a commodity whose price is far more dependent on industrial
demand than on anything else. However, because the silver market is
so small, it is entirely possible for silver investors to create
their own self-fulfilling prophecy. You need to be nimble, and
remember to sell, to take advantage of such an increase in the silver
price.

Annual mine production of gold is about 80 million ounces while
annual mine production of silver is roughly 600 million ounces, yet
gold mining revenues are eight times more than revenues from silver
mining at current metal prices.

Why is gold expensive and silver less so? Because gold is money and
silver is primarily an industrial commodity. Even though silver has,
from time to time, been used as money, its chemical and physical
properties make it less desirable than gold as a monetary asset.
Among other things, silver oxidizes readily, and it is far more
abundant than gold.

Annual fabrication demand for silver is well in excess of eight
hundred million ounces a year, of which roughly forty percent is used
for industrial applications, just over twenty percent for
photography, thirty percent for jewelry, and the rest (less than five
percent) for coins and medals.

Because annual fabrication demand exceeds annual mine supply, silver
investors believe much higher prices are in store. However, since
industrial applications and photography account for roughly two
thirds of annual silver consumption, fabrication demand plays a key
role in the silver market. The silver price is thus very dependent on
changes in annual fabrication demand. As a result, continued economic
growth in North America and the rest of the world should help the
silver price remain strong and perhaps move up, whereas an economic
downturn could be quite detrimental to the silver price.

If we look at gold and silver in US dollars, then the relative
strength in the dollar since the early Nineties should have had the
same effect on both metals if they were priced as money, and their
charts should look the same. But they don't.

Silver actually performed much better than gold during the Nineties
because demand for silver supported its price during the high-tech
boom in the latter part of the decade. When the tech boom went bust,
silver suffered, and its price barely budged from 2001 to 2003 while
the gold price rallied strongly. Since 2003, gold and silver prices
have moved more or less in tandem, and that is a result of the
weakening US dollar. However, if we see a change in the economic
climate, the correlation between the two metals' prices can easily
break down again.

The amount of silver typically used in any given application usually
represents a very small component of the overall manufacturing cost.
Therefore the demand for silver from both industrial applications and
photography is very inelastic, meaning that if silver's price
increases, demand does not decrease.

At the same time, because the silver market is such a small market in
dollar terms, a relatively small amount of investment demand can
cause the price to spike dramatically. And because fabrication demand
is inelastic, fabrication demand will not decline due to the price
increase.

So speculators buying silver in anticipation of a move upwards can
easily create a self-fulfilling prophecy, causing the silver price to
soar. But when they want to sell their metal to take profits, the
same lack of liquidity that drove the price up will drive it right
back down again.

This combination of a small illiquid market, inelastic demand and
feverishly bullish investors could cause the silver price to
outperform the gold price at some point. However, you must be wary of
an ensuing collapse and remember to sell. Silver's day in the sun
might be very short-lived.

Still, there is no guarantee that the silver market will enjoy the
benefit of such a self-fulfilling prophecy. Judging by the silver
price since 1990 in relation to what we know was going on in the
world, it is entirely possible that silver will suffer along with
other base metals and commodities during an economic downturn.

Knobby22
23rd-May-2005, 02:52 PM
I will conceed that silver would suffer in an industrial collapse however I think that the gold is money argument is a furphy.

Gold is also under the same supply demamd pressures and is mainly used in the computer and jewellery industries. These are less volatile but will have an effect should consumer demand drop due to a recession.

Obviously the story would be different for gold should there be a breakdown of finacial markets where people lost faith in cash however I cannot see this occurring short of a nucleur war.

wayneL
23rd-May-2005, 03:59 PM
Obviously the story would be different for gold should there be a breakdown of finacial markets where people lost faith in cash however I cannot see this occurring short of a nucleur war.

How about when derivitaves house of cards blows over. :)

Knobby22
23rd-May-2005, 05:12 PM
A possibility.

bvbfan
23rd-May-2005, 08:31 PM
I will conceed that silver would suffer in an industrial collapse however I think that the gold is money argument is a furphy.

How do you know?
Have you been around the traps and know that everyone considers it the same way you do?

In India the women still 'save' in gold jewellry, if times became tough they usually sell the jewellry to pay for things

There has been talk of an Islamic Gold Dinar which would have actual gold backing, it has been talked of for several years but it is still a remote possibility

DTM
23rd-May-2005, 11:48 PM
How about when derivitaves house of cards blows over. :)

Please explain??? :confused:

Thanks in advance.

bvbfan
24th-May-2005, 12:00 AM
Some of the big firms in the US have derivatives exposure around 600 times their equity
LTCM (Long Term Capital Management) failed with around 30 times exposure

I think Adam Hamilton from Zeallc.com (http://http://www.zealllc.com/essays.htm) has some articles on his site, just look for derivatives or JPM

salz
29th-May-2005, 12:50 AM
In times of economic crisis, gold might not actually drop in value, it might rise... In many asian countries and maybe others, gold is an investment, like the '97 asian financial crisis, where thai baht, malaysian ringgit face speculative attacks, people there actually sell their currencies as they are falling in value and buy other currencies or they buy gold.
This effect is also seen during the 1st gulf War

twojacks28
20th-April-2006, 08:29 PM
if you keep up to date with gold and silver articles it seems to me that the general idea is that the higher the price of gold goes the higher silver will start to go as it is an alternative for those who want a nice metal but who don't want to spend too much.

Smurf1976
20th-April-2006, 11:32 PM
Both of them have undeniably outperformed cash, bonds, real estate and stocks during the past few months. Can't say much more really. :2twocents